Boks on Tour

Boks confident of comeback

2009-11-18 07:23
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Dick Muir (File)

London - South Africa assistant coach Dick Muir lamented his side's failure to hold onto a lead after the world champions were beaten for a third successive time on their European tour, but expressed confidence they will redeem themselves against Italy on Saturday.

The stuttering Springboks came to Wembley Stadium on Tuesday on the back of defeats to Leicester Tigers and France, but they looked as if they were going to claim their first victory this month when they took an 18-6 lead into the interval against Sarries.

However, the tourists imploded in the second half, conceding two early tries before seeing South African flyhalf Derick Hougaard drop a 75th-minute goal to win the game 24-23 for the English league leaders.

With Tests against Italy and Ireland still to come, South Africa still have an opportunity to bounce back on this tour but Muir was disappointed his side, made up of second-string dirt-trackers, could not hold out at England's home of football.

"I thought we had a very good first half but they put a lot of pressure on us and the things we did so well in the first half, we didn't do in the second half," he said.

"There were a couple of decisions that went against us in the second half but they got the momentum.

"I certainly believe we can redeem ourselves in the next two Test matches though. We are taking things game by game, and the game in Italy (on Saturday) is going to be huge."

Two-try winger Jongi Nokwe was one of the few players to cover himself in glory on Tuesday night as he touched down in the 38th and 63rd minutes, the second a particularly well-worked score.

Centre Juan de Jongh was the Springboks' other tryscorer, in the 29th minute, but in general the team produced a mixed bag in front of 46,281 fans.

Muir nevertheless insisted nights like these provide an opportunity for the country's youngsters to pick up some valuable experience and Brendan Venter, the former South Africa centre who is director of rugby at Saracens, agreed.

"These players have not played or trained together enough," he said.

"But these are really good players. Individually they didn't play badly but how do you mould a team without any training sessions? They are basically like a Barbarians team, so I do feel for them.

"It would be unfair to criticise the depth (in South African rugby). I still think the experiment hasn't failed - they have been blooded and are being exposed to players like Victor Matfield, John Smit and Fourie du Preez in training every day."

The Springboks could have a front-row crisis on their hands after Leinster prop CJ van der Linde, who was only recently called into the squad, trudged off with a strained hamstring after just 10 minutes.

With Johann du Plessis out of the tour because of a hand injury, and both hooker Chiliboy Ralapelle and prop Gurthro Steenkamp injured in the defeat to Leicester, head coach Peter de Villiers is down to the bare bones in that department.

Andries Bekker was another South African to pick up an injury at Wembley, the lock going off with a rib complaint.

 

Your Comments

Brian11/18/2009 8:23 PM
Vivian - what a stupid comment. If there is to be attention to the racial mix of the side, it needs to start at the grass-roots level, not at national selection. Go around parks and beaches and see how many young black kids are throwing around a rugby ball! They're kicking soccer balls because that's their passion. Go to local games and how many black faces do you see in the crowds? Hardly any. Soccer is the passion in this country, it's the number one sport, and it'll take some time for those young kids to take a greater interest in rugby - and why should they just make the change anyway? You can't force these things. The quota should be based on the interest in the game and attention should be given to encouraging the game more - which, I believe, is happening. But it'll take time for it to get traction and forcing the issue at national level only leads to lowering of standards. I think it's a tribute to our rugby that there are so many really good black players in the game, and quite a few are good enough to make the natioanl side. Anyway, your sort only ever seem to come out with these pathetic comments when we lose. I doubt you made these comments the day after we beat England at Stade de France to lift the World Cup for the second time. Then again, perhaps you are that stupid.
Superman11/18/2009 4:47 PM
...the wheels are coming of for the Boks very fast... ..maybe it is time for a new Bok-coach... ...goodbye Div...
@ Vivian, Mark-Perth,Matt 11/18/2009 3:54 PM
Shame, all of you still upset that Aussies and All Black still sucked at the Tri-Nations and we whipped you. Grab a sheep and read carefully this WAS NOT OUR world cup winning team. VIVIAN!!!!!!! You utter plank, you just as bad as any dumbass racist plonk in the world. Where exactly are Bafunny Bafunny ranked and where are our rugby boys ranked. Think before you think,type,read,walk,pick you nose etc. Actually, don't even walk outside, you breathing is just a waste like Mark-Perth and his buddy Matt.
Danie11/18/2009 3:08 PM
In his interview after the Emerging Boks match against the B & I Lions, the captain, Dewald Potgieter, pleaded for more games for the Emerging Boks. Last night was, again, proof of the necessity. Two suggestions: (a) all incoming tours be required to play at least one game, per team, against the EB (and please can one of those games be in PE); (b) tours to second tier rugby countries like Uruguay, Chile(I am told Bahamas have a good team) Puma "B"
Cois11/18/2009 2:34 PM
Lyk of die tyd verby is om met ander mense se kalwers te ploeg. Dit is maar net n voorsmakie wat gaan gebeur in die volgende World Cup. Die span se basis is BB, die spelers is nie gewoond aan swaar velde op te speel nie,niks teen die spelers nie, maar eerder "horses for courses" Dus ook die rede vir swak skrum werk, afrigters sal moet wakker skrik en begin voorberei vir ander tipe velde en spelers daarvolgens kies. Om te se hulle sal regkom teen Italia, is belaglik, enige S14 span kan hul wen, volgende verloor is, hul laaste toets.
bokobserver11/18/2009 2:19 PM
The loss can only be attributable to the Saracens coach, Brendan Venter, having peeped at the Boks during their pre-match training session!
woELS11/18/2009 1:52 PM
I don't know why some of you guys have a go at each other about the rugby..??? The fact is: 1. The Boks won the World Cup 2. The Boks won the Tri Nations 3. A South African Team won the Super 14... If they loose 3 games in a row...so what?? One can't always win...you must learn from us (the Western Province / Stormer Supporters), how to loose.. It isn't that bad after all... it makes the next win sooo much better.
Cliff Bradley11/18/2009 1:50 PM
Vivian - Why , Tell Me are You Commenting On A Rugby Site When You Should Be Behind The Stove Getting The Food Ready - Thats All You Are Good For !!!
Gerald11/18/2009 1:21 PM
CJ is right. Hougaard had a shocker while Heini while not brilliant had a good game - then again we are comparing him to du Preez. They should also accept Pienaar is a utility back destined to play from the bench to cover scrumhalf, fullback and in dire situations flyhalf. @Dul01 - that is what the Brits do. They brag about stuff that isn't true.
Deon11/18/2009 12:56 PM
@vivian - At least our so called "lilly white" team is currently 2 ? rated in the world instead of - how far down must I go to see the Bafana? Maybe the BAfane needs to be lilly white to become something.....LOL.....
kaksak11/18/2009 12:45 PM
Ja ons weet hulle sal terug kom. As die toer klaar is kom hulle terug huis toe. Maak die proteas swart dan is die rugby net so kak soos die sokker.
Simon Bristol UK11/18/2009 12:43 PM
BM: Irrespected of how many "saffers" are playing rugby here now.It is a choice they have made to come and play club rugby here. They often return to SA after playing here for a while much better players than they were.
Argus11/18/2009 12:26 PM
Excuse me, I thought that the Italy game was the international game ( not quite a test..) where PdV was going to try out some of the new guys, or better performers from the dirt trackers - Midweek side. Now we're talking of saving the Tour on the Italy game? What's going on? Have we slipped so badly that we can't believe our upcoming starts can't beat lowly Itlay? I think that we are starting to see the paucity of coaching input - the experienced, workd class players have started to fade and are taking their match winning habits with them, and PdV has nothing to give to plug the gaps, iehter in skills, tactics or replecement players, who he has nurtured....running on empty, aren't we?
Dude11/18/2009 12:15 PM
BLA BLA BLA...Just play the Fuking game and win for a change stop moaning and making excuses, I am tired of all the talking and interviews and crap
Edward11/18/2009 12:08 PM
LOOOOOOOOOOSERSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!! he he he he he he he he LOL. I THOUGT THE NATIONAL ANTHEM BY RAS DUMISANIE WAS CLASSIC.
BM11/18/2009 11:52 AM
I have no issue with letting the inexperienced guys play, even if we lose. We all know that these are like practice sessions for them. @Simon: Just how many Saffers does it take to make a good northern hemisphere side?
Bilbo11/18/2009 11:51 AM
To think we are actually worried about playing Italy. That's a first. Half time was the worst thing that could have happened to SA last night. Whatever was said at half time was not good for the players. Sarries did not play better rugby.
Bilbo11/18/2009 11:49 AM
To think we are actually worried about playing Italy. That's a first. Half time was the worst thing that could have happened to SA last night. Whatever was said at half time was not good for the players. Sarries did not play better rugby.
Germ11/18/2009 11:39 AM
15-Pienaar, 14-Pietersen, 13-Fourie, 12-Olivier, 11-Habana, 10-Steyn, 9-DuPreez, 8-Burger, 7-Deysel, 6-Brussouw, 5-Botha, 4-Matfield, 3-CJ (if Fit), 2-Smit, 1-DuPreez. My reasoning. Bismarck is having a really poor patch. Beast is tired. for a hooker, Smit is immensly powerful and will steady the front row with two powerful props next to him. Kankowski is a souther hemisphere player where he can have space to move. Olivier comes in place of jacobs cos he is playing good rugby. Pienaar has a lot of flair and adds more than kirchner does. Most importantly, the team must be chosen on good form. At the moment too many players are playing on reputation, and while that is okay for one or two games, extended periods of no form dictate that one needs a chance to refresh themselves. there are others sitting at home in SA that I would have picked, but this seems to be the best that we have over there. Where is BJ Botha???? Thats a strong tighthead. 1st choice at World cup until he was injured.
Gemsbok11/18/2009 10:57 AM
Mallett has ages ago targetted the Bok game on Saturday as Italy's one victory for the season !!
Deon111/18/2009 10:49 AM
SA team will need to look something like this to produce results against Italy and Ireland, more towards the Ireland game : 15. JP 14. Hougaard/Nokwe 13. Fourie 12.Oliver/De Jongh 11. Habana 10. Steyn 9. Du preez 8. Burger 7. Deysel 6. Brussouw 5. Matfiled 4. Botha 3. Smit 2. Bismarck 1. Du Preez / Beast
Daniel's blood is GREEN11/18/2009 10:41 AM
Heinie Adams for scrumhalf No. 2 behind Du Preez. Quick, clean passing, CJ agreed. Italy and Ireland will be beaten. The boys will give their all, I trust, they also hate losing! Rather experiment now, then when it counts, PdV needs to find the right balance betw. youth and experience, it's tough, but it will come right. GO BOKKE!
Spitfire11/18/2009 10:37 AM
Please stop blaming the losses on a long hard season, its a profesional sport now, if you want to be known as the world champs, then start acting/playing and winning like world champs. These autumn tours having been going on for years now, but because the boks ar getting hammered by small club teams, now all of a sudden these tours are a waste of time.
GPC11/18/2009 10:17 AM
They need outside help with the scrums, how is it possible that all our props looks bad, I don't buy that. They need a scrum expert. What about Os? he helped the freestate rookies look like experienced world class props. Peter de Villiers (Prop) is out of feel with SA Rugby, we need a South African who can sort them out.
Simon Bristol UK11/18/2009 10:01 AM
Well... Well ...You Springbok supporters never end with your "clap trap" What are you talking about "dirt trackers" for ... As an excuse... Sorry chaps... You seem to have forgotten that the Leicester Tigers were at least 6 players short of their "first" team. Their team was a "club" dirt track team. Leave the refs alone and concentrate on the Rugby.. No excuses.... You have now lost 3 on the bounce in the northern hemisphere....
David11/18/2009 9:57 AM
I read with interest the many excuses on the website of yet another Bok defeat at the hands of a European Club. Firtsly, excuses from blaming the referee last night in the Saracens game. Both Bok tries were given to them on a silver platter. Firstly, Ashley Johnson knocked the ball forward and the try was allowed by the ref. Secondly, the Nokwe try was a forward pass. Secondly, a long season is now also getting blamed for the poor performances of the Boks. How stupid! The other Southern Hemisphere rugby teams namely the All Blacks and the Wallabies is just doing the opposite - going quitely about their games and do not blame their long seasons on their performances. Mind you, both the Boks, All Blacks and Wallabies are playing the same amount of Tests matches and the same amount of Test matches during the June period of each year. They all do have Super 14 and domestic commitments back in their own countries, same like the Boks! Thirdly, to refer to an official Bok team as "second stringers" or "dirt-trackers" is total crp. They were selected by the National selectors, including the coaches to represent the Boks, finish and klaar! SARU President, Hoskins announced the Bok squad live on Supersport. To now all of a sudden claiming that they are not the real Bok team is a smack in the face of those representing their country and the Bok team! Fourthly, De Villiers, Muir, Gold and the entire Bok management team got it all wrong. In hind-sight, even if you come up against a club on your tour, you mix the young and inexperienced with the old and experienced. Never, ever take anything for granted! They must go and learn from Graham Henry and Robbie Deans, two of the finest coaches in world rugby. Lastly, the Boks arrogance and cocky attitude is coming back to bite them! They must learn fast to respect other rugby nations and treat them with dignity as well!!!
Tbag11/18/2009 9:54 AM
Rugby is an international profession sport nowadays - why are we leaving Jean DV and F Steyn at home...in northern hemisphere conditions? Imagine if we said we wont select Bafana players who play overseas? This whole "our players are fatigued story is rubbish". The coaching staff should have known that and instead of recognising the forwards would probably be more fatigued than teh backs and thus decide to play an open style of rugby where the ball get spread to teh backs as quick as possible, instead they take on the strongest packs upfront with constant crash balls. And worst of all is when they do crash ball 90% of teh time the ball is under the wrong hand and they have poor body posisiton. These are basics. The French had an inexperienced center pairing that tested us where we should have tested them. When Aus had a weak pack they got the ball to teh backs ASAP and they had the genius to create space adn use pop passes to get over the adv line. Coaches are to blame - they pick the players, they choose teh game plan and they clearly do not punish players for not doing the basics i.e. carrying the ball in the correct arm and going in low for the crash ball.
Stephen11/18/2009 9:45 AM
My view is that our boys have had a long tough season ending in the Currie Cup. Now they had to pick up again and go overseas where its cold and wet and when all they feel like doing now is taking a well earned break and spend some time in the sun with their families. This tour idea was a big F#@&UP from the start. Its not the players fault. The Bokke are still tops and have achieved enormously this year. I am ignoring this tour as nothing important to worry about. I did not even watch any matches, it means nothing. I see it more as a SA Rugby management balls-up. We may even lose to Italy. Any normal match we would crunch them something stupid but the guys don't want to be there and who can blame them plus they cannot even say they don't want to be there. Look at NZ, they scrapped in because they are also tired after a long season.
Mike D11/18/2009 9:40 AM
Guys - insted of slagging each other off and and not focusing on the real issues at hand, how about considering the following: Peter De Villiers is the head coach. He picked Dick Muir and Gary Gold as his assistant coaches with Gary in charge of the pack. Our scrum is currently the laughing stock of world rugby with every front row in the game licking their lips at the prospect of scrumming against us. Do we look at the palyers, the positions they are playing in, or do we look at the coaching that they are receiving in this area? Os du Randt took 3 resonably good front rowers and turned them into a powerful unit that gave the Bok front row at the Sharks, and to a lesser extent the Blue Bulls front row a hiding in the semi's and final of the Currie Cup respectively. Surely we should have the great man (Os) at every Bok practice and on tour with the boys to sort out the scrumming? Look closely at the tour management and see how many "hangers-on" there are running around doing futile jobs. There is nothing more important in rugby than the front row (or tight 5) - that is where games are won and lost. Surley the coach should make sure that he has the best available people in that department on tour with him to make sure we dominate upfront? Gary Gold - I'm not so sure... PS: Watch the Italian front row turn us into liguini on Saturday!
Nelio de Sa11/18/2009 9:37 AM
Im sure the Boks will stand up from this tour... Australia is a team that lost all its 3 nation matches but they building towards 2011, Im sure we in same path, I rather loose now and win the IRB world cup again, same Jake White did when we lost almost all the 3 nation matches before world cup because his vision was world cup... Im sure PdV has a plan and his coaching panel as well, we got tested, and now we know what our players can do under pressure, who is world class and who cant handle pressure, we could see a guy like Brussow excell in a loosing pack, thats positive things we learned... once u take all the positives and finally puzzle them together u get a world class outfit that can win the world cup
Gatt Miteau11/18/2009 9:35 AM
@Mark, Perth. Wise words my friend. It's nice to know our only real threat for 2011 is the All Blacks unless SA Rugby gets rid of these whallies and get a decent coaching team.
Mark11/18/2009 9:34 AM
All points were scored by South Africans? Makes you think? to vivian- Why are there no SA players of colour in the Saracens side or any other overseas side in Europe?? at the end of this tour we will be no3 and by the end of RWC2011 probably 6/7. please keep on transforming we will see all the good white players in European clubs winning the Premiership and Heineken cup. Bet you the new Ausie franchise will buy some very good talent in SA. dont cry about the ref in the second half, our second and third try should not have been. Ashley Johnson does not scrum at all. Put him back at hooker, that is where he belongs. There is an excellent Springbok no8 playing in France at the moment, bring him back. PDV enyou your Circus. ASllas all we say will not make a differance to the powers that be.
scipero11/18/2009 9:34 AM
al for president
nazeem11/18/2009 9:30 AM
i think you have to pick your second best thats why the first team cant perform to much off stress injury list getting longer but how good will it be if you have youngsters like francois louw peterson good place kicker wicus blaauw liebenburg ithink the coacch should have rest someplayers bakkies victor dupreez and habana you can seen these players are underpressure to perform and tired griekwas n09 also agood option
Megabull11/18/2009 9:30 AM
pdivvy and dick is our problem. As long as we play sharks/looser rugby we won't win. Earlier this year we played Bulls rugby and won the BI Lions and the T3. Play Bulls rugby and we will win again. Proof we are in front at half time and then sit back, sharks rugby.
Paul Young11/18/2009 9:29 AM
For Dick the dickhead to say the Springboks will redeem themselves against Italy is an insult to the supporters in this country. Italy have the proud reputation of winning one game in the six nations earlier this year. So, does dickhead think the Springbok supporters will be all forgiving if we manage to overcome Italy? What rubbish. The loss to France is palatable only because they are a national team with a history of some success. Losing to two "clubs" is absolute rubbish. Redemtion against Italy indeed. At least Bafana have no score against them in the last two games. Bring me my vuvalema.
adrian11/18/2009 9:24 AM
Traditionally the Boks do not have a good end of season tour up north. All sorts of reasons are given. Tired players , difficulty in motivating players , etc etc. Although some or maybe all the reasons may be true , i think it goes a little deeper. Rugby is played differently in the north to the south due to weather conditions , playing surfaces etc. You have to change and adapt your way of play. What works at Loftus , doesn't work at Twikenham. I think we choose players for the end of year tour that aern't suited to the type of rugby played. This has certainly been highlighted by the dirt trackers. You need a flyhalf that can kick you into a good field position ( not Pienaar ) hardworking , grinding tight five , and loosies that can compete on the ground (fetchers - preferable 2 in side) and big strong driving no eights. The dirt trackers , although filled with some talented players , don't fit the bill. The only area we can compete at moment is lineout time (more reason to kick for field position). Dirt trackers also don't have much time to gel together as unit. Maybe answer is for a SA 'A' side to tour at end of year (too much rugby already played). Coaching staff ? Gary Gold's forwards are being drilled. WP forwards suddenly are lot better after he left and was replaced by Proudfoot for Currie Cup. Does he have the knowledge. I think not - compare Stormers to WP. Same players different result. I know s14 different to CC but not THAT different..
jay11/18/2009 9:18 AM
when they do the IRB rankings they should not count this dirt tracker SA-15's performance as though they are true boks. only the main bok team should be "graded" as boks.
Barry - Cape Town11/18/2009 9:16 AM
It is clear that the legacy of the coaching of Jake White has run out. The "B" team has not had that benefit and clearly show the signs of planless coaching. Div, you are exposed as not good enough. The road goes down from here unless somebody with a strategic mind and coaching skills is added to the team. Don't blame the players if there is no effective game plan.
Jimbo11/18/2009 9:15 AM
If I remember correctly, about 3/4 years ago under Jake White we had Second and Third Boks teams which were almost as good as team A. What has gone wrong ?
Dianne11/18/2009 9:12 AM
'Boks Confident of Making a Comeback' ... mmmm now where have I heard those words before. Oh yes! Last week after the Leicester debacle ...
Mark,Perth11/18/2009 9:11 AM
Boks to be white-washed in Europe. After the series Boks will be number 5 in the world which is where they belong with other arrogant lots,Ozzies to climb up.Oi-Oi.
Johan11/18/2009 8:59 AM
@vivian...yes vivian, let's get the colour right...just like we did in all major state paristatels...and look what happened. They crippled it
Edward11/18/2009 8:59 AM
THIS IS ACTUALLY AN EMBARRASEMENT TO SOUTH AFRICAN RUGBY, DOES ANYONE THINK THAT NEW ZEALAND WOULD LOOSE TO SARACENS? OR LESTER TIGERS?. MAN I WANTO HANG MY HEAD IN ABSOLUTE SHAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
joe11/18/2009 8:57 AM
its time to realise that in international sport you chose the best side including all players local or overseas. Just look at Bradley Barritt. Wake up guys we are losing out big time.
Louisg11/18/2009 8:54 AM
Guys we have had a phennominal rugby year (when it mattered).... P.Divy is experimenting and it's not working.... he is learning to his detriment...!! Consider this tour as a build up to the World cup, when this tour is done and dusted he is the one that would have learnt the most.... from now on he cannot bask is Jakes glory... and he has the oppertunity to become a great Coach....!! We have the talent....!! and we have the time to prepare in every position.....!!! lets now focus on the next world cup and use every game as a stepping stone to hold that cup and beat all major unions in the world cup final as in 95.... Australia, France, New Zealand (meeting England in the playoffs even better) Nothing less expected and coach will have no excuses, P.Divy will then be called best S.A. coach ever and have all the respect he wants and deserves.
@VIVIAN11/18/2009 8:54 AM
lillywhite? you chop! ...and go the way of bafana? take your pathetically chipped shoulder to another sport.
zolani11/18/2009 8:54 AM
It all went pear shaped when the scrummie heinie adams left the field, they could not get the ball. ingnore Viviene malema, it does not have a clue
@vivian Malema11/18/2009 8:54 AM
You the type of Racist we dont need in this country. Look at your all Black team Bafana Bafana. Tell me again how did we do against Jamaica.
Kuppy11/18/2009 8:53 AM
We keep hearing the same old story from this coaching staff but they keep making the same mistakes. When will they come to terms that Pienaar is not a flyhalf and not a goal kicker. I found myself supporting Saracens last night i realized that i have more in common with them than our own lot, this quoter system just does not go down well with me, how can you support a team if some players are not there on merit it is just not right. I will be supporting Italy in the test, the whole SA rugby setup have to be brought back to reality and be humiliated before they catch a wake up. This Pvd is so stubborn or just very stupid but does not seem to know what he is doing, i can't understand why Dick Muir wants to be part Pvd's coaching staff, he is destroying his good name. Last night was a sad day in springbok rugby.
Fish@vivian malema11/18/2009 8:53 AM
Stop asking for hand outs!! Get your players of colour to do the work and maybe they will get a chance to play for the Springboks! Do you expect everything for free? Um... maybe you should look at the "quality" of players like Chilliboy who gets injured every time he runs onto the field and realize that it takes alot of hard work to play at this level. Are you afraid of hard work or just intent on giving your people a bad name?
Bok11/18/2009 8:53 AM
@ Vivian Malema- Playing the that card again.. Did you watch the game against Leiscester? If not, That team was filled with black rugby players!And did you watch last nights game, you know the one where that guys played with the green jerseys they call them the boks, they played much better than against leiscester and there were fewer black players in. I guess you are one of those who only watch the score and then you comment on something you dont have a clue of. Please if you comment, comment on the weather or pap or toi-toi something you have knowledge about. This is rugby!!!
Mark,Perth11/18/2009 8:51 AM
What an embarrasment,the Wallabies would have walked over this team easily but this weak lucky world champs lost,WTF??
@VIVIAN MALEMA11/18/2009 8:49 AM
@VIVIAN you @#%&ING idiot , please what do even know about rugby???? SA rugby is ranked 2nd in the world . Where is your BA%&*#UP BA%&*#UP aka BAFANA BAFANA.........85th. Now you tell me where the colour balance should be????
@vivian11/18/2009 8:48 AM
Once again i find ur comments pathetic just like u're namesake King Julius. Brendon Venter is 100% right with his comment about the SA team not playing badly for a bunch of guys who have had about two weeks to train together. One thing which was not mentioned is that our players are definately suffering from fatigue which is why their second half performance was a bit poor but we must give our guys a break....they have had a big year of rugby and loosing a few games overseas is not the end of the world. next year all the top players will be rested and i'm sure we will loose a few more games as we did before the last world cup so lets not loose focus. As for Vivian...politics and sport don't mix so rather don't comment on colour issues. we all know our rugby would be alot better off if the best players were picked because of their talents and not the colour of their skin. (No names mentioned....2 hookers from the Bulls.)
Awa11/18/2009 8:48 AM
Ruan missed alot, Derick on the day was not as good, but the vital kick he got over even after trying a few drop goals and getting booed-probably by bok supporters? Saracens side have ex-boks, not 2nd or 3rd stringers. Wikus, Brits, Hougaard are some of the best SA players- Saracens no.1 in Guinness premiership doesn't count for nothing. It's quite obvious our overseas players are good enough to fill bok boots, but Twakkie doesn't want them back. Cheetah front row not as good in second half-we need a better scrum coach-Os or Balie.
Robert Schamotta11/18/2009 8:47 AM
With comments like Lilly White team, Put him out to pasture etc, you all seem to be missing the point. Yes they lost, but why? one simple pedantic one eye, one sided REF. lets all stand together and start some action, that ref's like this idiot be repremanded and taken to task for his actions. If anyone thinks back to the game, think of his body language when Derrick put the drop over. His pleasure was so clear!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
witperd11/18/2009 8:45 AM
Te veel Bloubulle in die span
trev211/18/2009 8:44 AM
Yes we can complain about the ref but it works both ways. Nokwe's second try came from a forward pass so maybe they were lucky to lose by only 1 point.
hyena11/18/2009 8:43 AM
they going to loose to Italy. will makes it 5-0 for the series. rugby will becomes just as all other sport in the country.
jackp11/18/2009 8:41 AM
he didnt just say that the italy game is going to be huge?!?!
Blikperd11/18/2009 8:41 AM
Andries Bekker the worst lock in SA. Doesn't do anything except stand on the wing. Even I would look good playing the way he does. Jaques Lombaard of the Griquas is the future of SA locks.
Worsrol11/18/2009 8:39 AM
Dick to sing the SA anthem before the Italian match.
al11/18/2009 8:38 AM
I am a soccer loving fan but recently rugby has been my number 1 sport to watch. The springboks to me have shown what it means to represent a nation and as far as I am concerned they are the best. This tour is only a learning curve for the emerging players. Sure it hasn't been great but we can't win all the time. This is an opportunity for the new players to see if they have got what it takes to wear the green and gold. Go Bokke.... I wish Bafana had the same spirit maybe they should get the color balance right.
webb11/18/2009 8:38 AM
They may be "second stringers", but they are the future bok players ie the cream of what's on offer in this country. To feel it's acceptable that they can lose to a club side is just rubbish. Previous "dirt trackers" had much harder games against sides such as England "A" and came through, so what's the problem here? Revisit the game last night and look at the lose maul situation at the breakdown area - one or two boks getting turned over by a wave of Saracen players. Where is the rest of the team? That's not lack of experience but rather plain and simple lack of commitment. Poor team effort = poor game!
Dyl0111/18/2009 8:32 AM
Firstly the team last night are not the Boks and will never be, so i dont know why the British are bragging about beating the world champions as that was not a world champion team. The CHAMPIONS play on Saturday. And secondly the Boks have had an amazing year and respectfully are tired from their great season. Lets not forget they have played Super 14 and some of them have won that, British and Irish Lions and we won that, Tri nations and we won that, and Currie cup which accumulated into an intense final stage. People who are loosing confidence in the Bok team should not judge the team by this crap dirt trackers. Im a Bok fan all the way and good luck for Saturday.
Frost11/18/2009 8:31 AM
Before going on tour Muir was very clear that the public are going to see a few losses now! Reason: The eye is on 2011! When we reclaim the trophy in NZ in 2011 no one will give a continental about the losses now! The loosing streak must come ahead of 2011, or it will arrive in 2011! Go Bokke! These games are exposing some young talent and revealing some blunders too! Somthing Strauli should have done instead of issue 100's of test caps!
Willian11/18/2009 8:29 AM
@ VIVIAN MALEMA - Yes Vivian, you are quite right in your summation, but then again maybe we should be trading some LILLY whites for your ALL BLACK Banana Banana team. Maybe then BB can redeem themselves and win some games and not be 85th in the world. WTF. I suggest you better also ask for public protection you nitwit RACIST
Anti-VIVIAN MALEMA11/18/2009 8:22 AM
VIVIAN MALEMA you are a idiot, the Lilly white team are world champions, not the imbalanced politically chosen team chosen by colour not by merit that played and lost last night. Proof once again that teams should be chosen on merit not colour. Importantly they were beaten a local league team of white South Africans that are not selectable for the boks.
cj11/18/2009 8:21 AM
I'm surprised no-one has commented on the fact that the Boks lost momentum when Heinie Adams was replaced. He gets the ball away quickly and cleanly everytime, which had the backline running beautifully in the first half. Francois Hougaard, by contrast, had a shocker, not only in not getting his backline on the front foot, but giving away the try by Ernst Joubert.
Gavin van Zyl11/18/2009 8:18 AM
Vivian u mean as lily white as bafana bafana.Maybe we should have a all white football side and a black rugby side.
Louis11/18/2009 8:17 AM
Get rid of Ruan Pienaar...I promised myself / wife that I wont watch any rugby match if he plays again!!!!!!!! Ruan cant kick - tactical / out of the hand / under pressure and he can not kick for points....... I cant believe that the Bok Management keeps on picking him?????? Dont tell me he is still a young player, etc!! Look at Ruan Pienaar, look at Gysie Pienaar ( Ruans "Dad") and look at Henry Honnibal (Lem) = see if you notice any "similarities" - use it dont use it!! Bokke, good luck the the next 2 tests and may you redeem yourself!!
GW11/18/2009 8:16 AM
They are all new Boks cos all the experienced ones where playing for Sarries..ha! SA caught out by their own policies of quota and not playing overseas based players ( how did CJ vd Linde get the nod?). Sad to see so many experienced players on the other side. Not fair that they are referred to as "Dirtrackers" cos they played better than the test team did against France.
Concerned11/18/2009 8:12 AM
I have serious concerns with regards to the future of SA rugby!
Michael11/18/2009 8:10 AM
Lets hope Muir is correct. The Italians are not that great. If they do beat the Boks then we have some serous problems. I see the Boks winning by 15
reedtarts11/18/2009 8:10 AM
all you bok haters are absolute chops... this isn't the bok team, it's the guys that are coming thru the ranks as future boks and this exposure is good, they didn't play badly on an individual level but as a team the lacked, great bunch of players who are rubbing shoulders with the best rugby team in the world, ie: BOKKE!!! so lay off on the hate speach chops!!
de Waal11/18/2009 7:56 AM
Ruan Pienaar's spirit is broken, send him out to pasture. It's also about time that the fact that a referee can determine who wins the game needs to be carefully examined. Soon it will be the selection of the ref that counts and not the team.
VIVIAN MALEMA11/18/2009 7:56 AM
GET THE COLOUR BALANCE RIGHT OF THIS LILLY WHITE TEAM FIRST,THEN PERHAPS YOULL START WINNING AGAIN.
Mike JJ 11/18/2009 7:54 AM
Yet another potentially good game ruined (or marred) by an incompetent refereeing display ... (I stopped short of saying biased !). The game is being influenced by too many marginal decions which have a major effect on the outcome... too many rules, & too many different interpretations ! But so long as SA is on the receiving end, the IRB is quite happy!
vj11/18/2009 7:46 AM
I think Dick is smoking something with that rastafarian.
jaco11/18/2009 7:38 AM
oh yes of course you will beat italy its so obvious and then you will say see i told you!!! the tour is a f!@K up!!! try and fool someone else with your bull**#*.
Impi11/18/2009 7:30 AM
Don't worry, at least they're No. 2 in the world. Go Lieflings.
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