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Semenya faces gender probe

2009-08-19 09:33
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Adnaan Mohamed

Cape Town – Do you want me to show you?

That was the reaction of South Africa’s new 800m sensation, Caster Semenya, when asked if she is a man or a woman.

Semenya ran the fastest time in the world in the 800m at the African Athletic Championships in Mauritius earlier this year.

The 18-year-old is the favourite to win the final of the 800m on Wednesday night (21:35 SA time) at the World Athletic Championships in Berlin.

According to her coach, Michael Seme, there has been speculation about Semenya’s gender for a while now and he feels it’s important that he clears the air to avoid any future controversy.

“We understand that people will ask questions because she looks like a man. It’s a natural reaction and it’s only human to be curious,” said Seme. 

Seme added that when they stopped at a petrol station in Cape Town recently and Semenya entered the female toilets, the petrol attendants prevented her from doing so because they were convinced she was a man.  

“Caster just laughed and asked if they would like her to take off her pants to show them she was a woman,” said Seme.

The coach said he found it funny, but he doesn’t have any problems with it because he is 100% certain that Semenya is a woman.

“People probably have the right to ask such questions if they are in doubt. But I can give you the telephone numbers of her room-mates in Berlin. They have already seen her naked in the showers and she has nothing to hide,” Seme explained.

According to the media liaison of Athletics South Africa (ASA), Ethel Manyaka, ASA would not send an athlete to the World Championships if they were not certain about the participant’s gender.

"President of ASA, Leonard Cheuene, knows something like that will create a huge controversy. How are we going to do it besides asking her to show us her private parts?” quipped Manyaka.

ASA have not tested Semenya.

“The African Junior Championships in Mauritius was an IAAF event and they would not have allowed her to participate in the World Champs in Berlin if she did not pass their stringent tests.

“World class athletes like Maria Mutola (Mozambique), Pamela Jelimo (Kenya), Ariane Friederich (Germany) and many other top athletes from Russia and the Ukraine look like men,” added Manyaka.

Two prominent Australian newspapers, the Sydney Morning Herald and The Australian, reported on their websites that there is uncertainty surrounding Semenya’s gender.

They allege that gender tests have been carried out on her and the chances are good that she will be disqualified before Wednesday night's final in Berlin.



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Your Comments

wandile Nkala9/15/2009 8:41 AM
Sis'wami owenza kahle akamukelwa kalula kulomhlaba esiphila kuwo, kubalulekile ukuthi sibale ama blessings ethu rather uku critisiser, wena uyenzile lento okulandelayo abahambe bayofa bona.
Fan Semenya9/9/2009 3:26 PM
Girl u rock !keep up the good work,what ever they say,just ignore them and do ur thing.they are just jelous.They never thought a black woman can be as far as u are now..........keep up we love u Girl.
cecilia9/7/2009 1:16 PM
its pitty God created her like that but its also unfair for the ones she competes with, she has an added advantage!!!!!! but i also blame ASA, they are just full of politics and do not do their job well. they should have prevented this... it is because they are ignorant or stubborn? there was no need for sending her without double proof, this issue has been going on for long. they just hoped the world will keep quite .....
Lindsay9/5/2009 6:11 PM
I am so proud of Caster. Proud that she is a black South African woman athlete who is putting her opposition to shame. I am an avid athletics fan, and to have a world class South African woman athlete in the running once again is unbelievable. It's been a long time since we've done this well in athletics...and she's only 18. It's tremendous. I hope she is officially declared 'female', whatever that is - I abhor conventional labels - and that she continues to dominate the international athletics scene for 15-20 years. I know a lot of people are born intersex, or of no clear gender, and that the parents and doctors have to make a decision fairly early on as to what surgery to carry out to make them fit a 'normal' gender category. It's a fairly common occurrence but you never hear of it because of the supposed shame of producing an intersex child. But what if the child grows up to feel more like the opposite gender to the one the doctors and parents chose? It should be up to the individual to decide their gender redirection procedure as and when they are ready - but I guess this leaves them vulnerable to unnecessary ridicule when they are youngsters. I don't know if Semenya was one of these youngsters, but if she was, I can only imagine the physical and emotional issues she and her family must have had to deal with as she grew up. If she was born with female-only genitalia, maybe the reason she looks masculine is that she is what they call a 'high T' - or high testosterone - person. In which case she probably has a far higher sex drive than the average woman - lucky her! But I understand that she may have an unfair advantage over other women athletes if she defies the standard female attributes, such as 'normal' testosterone and musculature levels. I guess that's what the general concern is. Did she take steriods or was it simply a case of an ultra demanding training schedule that altered her physical stature? Who knows. I think she looks superb and as a woman, I would give anything to have an athletic physique like hers... And to be the quality athlete she is. You rock, Semenya.
muscles9/3/2009 1:49 PM
Caster has more muscles than Vernon Koekemoer...!!
alone9/3/2009 7:46 AM
Yes, leave him alone...
euphoria20008/30/2009 11:30 PM
Venus and Serena both look like drag queens.you go Caster forget all them haters out der and do ya thang :) and represent yo country
PhilT8/28/2009 9:31 AM
Looks like my option 1 is going to be the one that is accurate, semenyas testosterone level is 3 times what it should be...now Pro cycliststested for high amounts have insisited they can produce this naturally, and in all thoe cases it proved that they were on a doping course, as the body cannot produce more than it should, so this is probably a female who has been on a heavy course of steriods or some other substance, wither she and her coach know it or she is very naive and was taking something her coach told her and did not know what it was, but that seems unlikely! And the confession that she can rest for 3 - 4mths as she stated in her interview after the semis, resting at home for that amount of time, seems she is hiding between performances.
BOB8/26/2009 6:05 PM
Very interesting how most of the posts on this article try to add racist or xenophobic connotations to this story. The rules are the rules, medical opinion is medical opinion - we will find out one way or the other. If you think you know for sure that she is a normal woman or that she has hermaphroditic physiology you must be a very talented Surgeon with the ability to examine patients with psychic powers over distance. If this is an accurate description of yourself why are you squandering your talents posting here.
simeon8/26/2009 6:54 AM
@lulu get over yourself, don't label all british white people as racist or silly. I am a british white male and i have no doubts this person is 100% female. Theres a small few that spoil it for everyone else when it comes to race, gender and similar issues. nothing to do with coming from south africa or races or colours or whatever, you are the type of person that makes trouble for yourself and wonder why???????????? DOn't label every white person the same - goodness sake!
PhilT8/25/2009 5:23 PM
I think its a female but on steriod use for a long time, she said afetr the semis she can rest for 3 - 4 mths between championships, thats ridiculous so she must be on some program or other, so for me option 1 is : Female on steriods or something similar Option 2 : she wil test as male gender, like the Indian girl runner who looked more liek a girl than this person.
mothiba8/25/2009 1:41 PM
CASTAR is a woman so stop accusing her of being a guy. this is s****t
GeordieKin8/24/2009 11:00 PM
This is so disgusting, that they are putting ANYONE through this scrutiny. It is widely known that women go through many body changes when training at this level, and yet the issue continues to be raised whether it be about runners, bodybuilders, or any other heavily trained athlete. Also just doing blood tests is not a simple answer due to the body's chemical changes due to the hormonal changes brought on by such elite training, many women loose feminine features due to this. If I can get a handle on this info by merely being a sports observer, and part-time one at that, then why can't the powers that be or at the very least the sports observing community? The worlds inability to move on with such age old issues irritates the hell out of me. I agree with the idea of erasing the gender lines in competition and let us all compete in one group, then all one needs is to be human.
lulu8/24/2009 11:00 AM
u go gal u have made us proud here south africans u n knw white ppl have things to say al d time even me here down uk d are givin me problem i guess d just stupid british ppl always have something to say.dem u go gal happi,happi,happpi.south africans r u ready for 2010 semenya has open d floods gate of south africa for 2010 vava south africa viva. shw dam dat we eat pap n.
Makoti8/22/2009 1:41 PM
@kamva - Get over yourself - the world has better things to do than pick on South Africans so stop pulling the 'race' card...it's getting seriously boring and makes me embarrassed to be South African. It is the most pathetic argument and just shows your level of intelligence. This has happened to many athletes in the past before...and guess what? They weren't South African! VUKA!
kamva8/22/2009 7:37 AM
i just think you people are rasist and because she is from south africa and fact remains she is fast on the track
Sibongile8/21/2009 12:20 PM
Just because someone looks different does not mean that we have the right to label them a cheat. I find this to be very offensive, if -or rather when - the tests prove that she is really a woman, will these hateful people be willing to openly apologise for their painful insults as they are ready to spread their poisonous accusations. This is to me one of the most painful insults one can make. I am proud of our black sister - Go Girl!
gondo motha 8/21/2009 10:48 AM
personally guys id like to say congrats to our gold medalist. It's sickening to hear South Africans going on about this load of bull. lets face it the lady did us proud and we should therefore be making a biggie out of that not question her gender. Secondly her background is transparent to all, that deals with alot of physical work that would really get one in outmost refined shape, that with steroids can build up such a physique. lets just get over this and celebrate . ey drinks on me
Gwen8/20/2009 10:54 PM
I believe no fraud is involved. The reason testing takes so long is because determining gender is very complex. Might be a good idea to do some research online on gender ambiguity and intersexuality. At one time in the U.S., if a newborn baby's gender was ambiguous, the child was automatically determined to be female. If all can just remember there are multiple gender categories. No matter what the results, she deserves our respect. Caster was raised female and considers herself such.
chabi8/20/2009 5:07 PM
we love you girl,ignore all the bad things they are saying about you because you know your gender,make South Africa proud Go Casper Go! Halala ngwanana Halala !!!
Makoti8/20/2009 3:30 PM
Perhaps this athletically talented person was born a Pseudohermaphrodite? Born genetically male or female; with underdeveloped genitalia and coming from a rural background, nobody knew any different? I find it sad the manner in which this is being dealt with, but do agree that genetic testing needs to be done. This is of course speculation but I don't believe they would have entered in the wrong gender race on purpose.
Sgono8/20/2009 3:17 PM
She is a woman. In my township there is a girl who looks like a man and people though she is lying.I discovered the truth when I get closer to here as here boyfriend. So I'm not suprised; she is a woman. any boyfriend of Caster to come and help about this.
Guy8/20/2009 3:00 PM
Its obvious , she like many female athleats has been taking anabolics namely testosterone which geatly improves performance but has side effects which cause females to develope a male like phisque and wider jaw. she has simply been overdoing the roids
Dolly8/20/2009 1:42 PM
You go Girl ! you made us prove as South Africa Woman keep it up my dear am proved of you .People wont stop to comment let them do but am proved of you .
4ward8/20/2009 12:23 PM
She looks like a man guys, built like a man and ofcourse flat as hell,
Sha8/20/2009 11:15 AM
Given, she does look rather....manly....and that is probably something that has plagued since childhood...kids can be very nasty. But having fully grown, educated (we hope) adults say such vile things....it's disturbing. Where's the faith in the ppl that have trained and admitted her entry to compete? If it were a farce, surely they would have known that she looked to manly to pull it off! I say, she should co-operate and prove her gender, and then sue them for defamation of character....mental anguish....psychological scarring.....everything her lawyers can think of!!!
Oraclebob8/20/2009 10:16 AM
What's everyone's issue with the Aussies? Get over it. They're a great sporting nation and the rivalry between them and South Africa is awesome. Face it... We'd be doing the same thing if they had an athlete who looked and performed in the same way as Semenya. Speculating about Semenya's sex is ridiculous. Wait for the tests, and then let it be.
Opondo8/20/2009 9:15 AM
can the boyfriend please stand-up and clear the air if she's a she. Mombasa, kenya
msrez8/20/2009 9:01 AM
I really believe that this is sad that we are even questioning this.. I have seen many female athletes that have very manly futures.. Lets just look at the WNBA uuuummm need i say more.. ok i will one of the greatest tennis players of all time Martina Navartolova (mis-spelled) Or even in track Maria Mutola.. I just don't believ that a country would put their rep on the line to win a gold medal in the world championships.. Besides when she ran at JR. Worlds last year she ran in bikini style bottoms..
sbongile8/20/2009 7:27 AM
Come on people, she is definetely a woman. The man features doesn't really matter. Remember the iron lady from daily sun, that woman looks exactly like a man. Did people question her gender?
anonymous8/20/2009 4:25 AM
After seeing the 800 today, I immediately thought this runner was male, perhaps their was a birth defect and this person was told he was female, I believe genetic testing is definitely required, it is not fair to the other female contestants if this person has more than normal testerone causing this person to be stronger than most females
Redjayda8/20/2009 3:31 AM
Leave the poor Girl alone. I believe she was born a girl people dont realize that not all girls have hips or boobs. Some women have more male hormones that produce facial hair which is commen in pretty or non pretty girls. The way the other countries train there altheletes are more strenuous than the US. Maybe if they trained as hard as Semenya did they all will look like a man. Im with you semenya show them that you are a woman then SUE there azz for doubting.
Redjayda8/20/2009 3:29 AM
Leave the poor Girl alone. I believe she was born a girl people dont realize that not all girls have hips or boobs. Some women have more male hormones that produce facial hair which is commen in pretty or non pretty girls. The way the other countries train there altheletes are more strenuous than the US. Maybe if they trained as hard as Semenya did they all will look like a man. Im with you semenya show them that you are a woman then SUE there azz for doubting.
boo bunyip8/20/2009 1:24 AM
OMG! Let's get some things straight people. Firstly, it's the New Zealanders who like their sheep, not the Aussies. In all my life in Australian sports i know noone who is anti-African. Get over it people, I don't care if this person is black, white or brindle and what country he/she comes from. The fact is, for some very masculine women a chromosome test is always going to be necessary. You don't think she was aware that she had a lot of masculine traits and maybe has been prepared by her coach to expect this. She is an outstanding runner and I doubt this will effect her mental preparation. I can't believe you all think we don't like Africans. I work with many nationalities and am friends with South Africans, Indians, Fijians, Zimbabwians so don't you dare taint me with that racist bull.
Dan8/20/2009 1:21 AM
It's a.....she-man
isis8/20/2009 12:03 AM
The genitalia means nothing. You only have to look at the picture. This is a man in a women's race. Australians don't care we know Africans are better runners. It's a matter of being fair to female athletes.
DONNA8/19/2009 11:11 PM
I bet the results will be that this is a man. No boobs, no hips, built just like a man. If this is a woman then lets test for steroid abuse, because no woman I have ever seen looks this much like a man.
kenton8/19/2009 10:26 PM
Bloody racist Australians, we know all about how you have been treating your own native people all these years. I also agree with Syd. Get over the fact that we are better sportsmen than you. Semenya is a brilliant famale athlete so get used to it.
shyam sunder kancharla8/19/2009 8:40 PM
in my view she (?) is an energitic young guy... in the shape of femal structure
durga prasad deshpande8/19/2009 8:25 PM
i think she is just she only....
randaa rock 8/19/2009 7:09 PM
i think ya'll should leave the girl alone. She can't help it that she looks manly for a woman, God created her the way that he wanted it to be. Yall are just jealous that yal cn't run the way she can. Soo GET OVER IT! Get a life,& find something better to do.
Mare Iridium8/19/2009 6:38 PM
You go for it Caster and do NOT let those incredibly insecure morons (hello Aussies and serial anti-SA fanatics?) bring you down and prevent you from doing your best. I thought I'd seen the lowest of the low in sports 'politics' but the SMH are the worst yet. And have you seen some of the participants in the javelin and other disciplines? This is muck-raking of the lowest order and they should be ashamed. Oh, but you have to have a consience for that so maybe not. Sour grapes as usual.
johncarlos8/19/2009 5:55 PM
No offense to her: when I first saw the heading and the picture, I thought it was a man being accused of being a woman...we hold a world 800m record..that's pretty cool. The Aussies can go jump! Good luck to her
Pupu8/19/2009 5:49 PM
Caster, ekare Modimo le badimo ba heno ba ka ba le wena ha o matha bosiung ba kajeno. Re batla kgau eo ya gauta, o kgutle le yona. O kgeleke ya MaAfrika, tholwana e ntle. Ya senang sekaja mmae a tele. Ha ba itjhebe ba lebale ka wena. Swabisa basomi moradi wa Semenya. Ha..la..la!
blarg8/19/2009 5:46 PM
She has a lot male secondary sex characteristics. Even if she has male genitalia, something about Semenya's genetics is male. Semenya's body has obviously produced more testosterone than any of the other female athletes in the picture above. Something fishy is going on here, either genetically or in outright deception.
Gary8/19/2009 5:11 PM
She can beat most of the male counterparts in the 800m for men.
Miss P8/19/2009 5:09 PM
I mean really guyz this is so PATHETIC and CHILDISH!!!!!!!!!! Hv u seen the Banyana Banyana squad r we also goin 2 say they r MEN????????? Let's GROW UP and RALLY behind the LADY CASTER SEMENYA and get ova ourselves PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZ :-)!!!!!!!!
Thabo Mofutsanyana8/19/2009 5:00 PM
Has anyone stopped to think how they would feel if they were in her shoes. I can understand sheep trying to demoralise her but its unacceptable from South Africans. Why is this being treated as a phenomenon, there are plenty of women who look like men EVEN IN THE OUTBACK Really hope she wins tonight.
Ben Wolmarans8/19/2009 4:30 PM
Yah right. Everybody in South Africa conspired together, got a young male athlete, convinced him that he would do better as a female runner and signed him up for the world champs.
Mark8/19/2009 4:27 PM
Its a man!!!!
sharon8/19/2009 4:12 PM
It's wonderful to see one of our woman athletes doing so well. I just hope she doesn't let this affect her negatively. I would think ASA wouldn't risk sending an athlete to the games if there was any doubt. Anyway the Aussie press is the worst. They're known to try beat down opponents before an event with their "psychological" attacks. I wouldn't be surprised if there's an Aussie in the final. Can anyone tell me if there is? Or maybe she beat one in the qualifiers?? What ever it is we're behind you all the way Caster!!
CJ8/19/2009 4:06 PM
Shame man. Los haar alleen. People forget how the american/eastern europeans female athletes looked in the early-mid eighties. They were these incredibly muscular women with huge bull-like necks (like the formula 1 driver's necks actually). Now we know that in those days there was gross abuse of steroids.... Those women looked like men, no denying it.
Theresa8/19/2009 3:57 PM
If I was Castar, and I know I'm a women, why hide the truth???? And why does the tests have to take so long??? Always the same s&*t in South Africa.
Samantha8/19/2009 3:55 PM
'She' is definitely a man! I cannot see an ounce of femininity in her. Perhaps she is a transgender? In any event, she certainly has more testoterone in her' A real woman just knows these things!
Japie8/19/2009 3:52 PM
WTF!? The East-German looks like that since I can remember and nobody has ever asked questions! You go girl! (I think.....)
Gale8/19/2009 3:51 PM
she is a woman, she is from Limpopo so in Limpopo anything is possible, females look like males. so good people its confirmed by me - its a woman!!!
Alvinah8/19/2009 3:48 PM
What do you expect with Australians nothing is good when it comes from Africa.They did not appreciate their colleague Cathy Friedman when she represented their own country.SUKA LAPHA AUSSIES.You go girl Sponge keep up the good work if ASA cannot reliase that you are good they won't, they will hire foreigners as usual
Java8/19/2009 3:44 PM
If showing "private parts" won't prove anything, then all your pictures and features can't prove any of the commenters to be either male or female, not even the name I see on the comments can tell if you are a male or female! But 1 thing is certain, none of you can beat Semenya on the track! And again, how do you people know if your spouse is male of female?Do u doTest and Show me???
zowee8/19/2009 3:41 PM
Hey,I'm not sure,maybe she is a female.
JJ8/19/2009 3:37 PM
You must all go to hell for suggesting that Caster is a man. Who's fault is it that she looks they way she does? Blame the genes and leave the girl a hell alone.
lebohang8/19/2009 3:13 PM
whatever her mixed chromisomes, she did not make herself that way.does she not have a place to belong in this world. Go Caster, you are God's creation and those laughing at you most probably have achieved nothing special in their lives. Good hearted people of the world are behind you.
Sedaarato8/19/2009 3:13 PM
I tried to ignore this stupid argument of whether Semenya is a Man or a Woman. Why don't they just her to show off her private parts in public if that is what they want. Then, she must follow by taking legal action against all those who doubts God's creation.
Nas8/19/2009 3:11 PM
Confucius Sayings : Man who run behind car get exhausted Caster Semenya,do it for South Africa
craig8/19/2009 2:59 PM
looks like in all these topics the most racists are from the non white fraternity. get that chip off your shoulders. the rest of us South Africans are happy till you shits bring in the race card get a life or go to new zealand
Gillian8/19/2009 2:45 PM
Walks like a man, talks like a man, looks like a man, chest like a man. Ag, no, man, she's 100% girl.
Simon8/19/2009 2:36 PM
She looks more feminine than Serena Williams.....
Laura 8/19/2009 2:36 PM
a well built women with a great body now there is nothing wrong with that.
Dallas8/19/2009 2:33 PM
All i`m say is that Caster Semenya must keep up her good job she is doing right now, she must not be confussed for what others are saying. Even our beloved country cannot afford to risk by her gender although they know the truth, What kind of an embarassment will that be. We the south african knows Caster`s gender very well. If you don`t, just let me highlight you, she belongs under the month August...
isaack kibet kwambai8/19/2009 2:32 PM
loosers will always look for an excuse.....this is bull**** story....ther are more other women athletes with like b*****....go semenya....good luck
Winza8/19/2009 2:28 PM
You go girl,i know u r a female so the test will proof them wrong.Focus on doing your thing and dont let this stupid argument get into your way.make us prood young sister.
VANCO8/19/2009 2:11 PM
Jeep you are stupid and sick. Freek
flowerpower8/19/2009 2:08 PM
You go GIRL, I support you!
leonidus8/19/2009 1:40 PM
Cummon guyz even a blind man would see that is a man.....whos fooling who.........home affairs made a mistake and called them a girl and now they think they woman but hips dont lie ???
Angie8/19/2009 1:40 PM
Typical of Australians - hate to be beaten by SOUTH AFRICA....
Aussie8/19/2009 1:27 PM
Why she walks like a woman and talks like a man. Oh my Lola, lo lo lo Lola, lo lo lo Lola
Fi58/19/2009 1:22 PM
COme on,you can't blame them for investigating it? (S)he kinda does look like a man,in fact,(s)he looks more manly than me. Let's be fair,she's not SA's entry in miss universe though!!! Maybe mister universe,(s)he has quite the build? I'm a little scared I must confess,that's not human
manwaii8/19/2009 12:45 PM
Aggg please people. Did you guyz see the Jamaican ladies they also look like men, especially Kerron Stewart, now when S.A. is going to win they suddenly have a problem with our runner.....PLZ
Sanet8/19/2009 12:45 PM
All issues aside! Where will it leave South Africa IF she turns out to be a man!
Chas8/19/2009 12:44 PM
Give it a break. Lets get behind her - who gives a damn about the Aussies. She is 18 years old...what a story...if she wins just think what she can go on and do. She can potentially be one of the greatest. Think positive ....why oh why do so many South Africans always think negative. So what if she is not going to make the swim suit edition of sports illustrated - It shows how shallow some people are....looks are not everything.
Geneticist8/19/2009 12:23 PM
Chromosomes won't get you far! There are more XY females on the Hollywood Catwalks then XX ones! At the Olympics they only test hormones. If your feel like a lady, have the parts and your hormones are more female than male you're a woman! Show them Caster and bring us a gold - this whitey is going to be real proud one of our team performs to their ability!!!!
Chris8/19/2009 12:04 PM
That's hilarious.. My family and I watched her/him in the heats and semi-finals and all we commented on and discussed after her/his close-ups before the start was that she was infact a man. I ahve never seen a more manly looking woman ever. Not ever Maria Motala looks like this girl/guy does. So to ahve the IAAF query her/him 2 days later makes me laugh because its exactly what we were saying.
Skubbe8/19/2009 12:01 PM
It's a dude!
go 4 gold8/19/2009 11:49 AM
God every one is carring on like they know everything but know nothing, SHE is a WOMEN dosent anyone listen to the radio it is comfirmed she is a lady! god dosent anyone think about how this poor lady feels about everyone talking about her itz not her fault she looks like a man so STOP judging her!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and by the way she has a great body 4 her age. you go gal bring that gold back to SA.
@athi Noah8/19/2009 11:45 AM
@ athi Noah, you are such a moron! To everyone else: look, she looks like a man. But then again, there are asian men who look like woman and german chicks who look like men and dogs the size of cats and horses built like dogs etc etc. 1 think is for sure, the chick must be feeling rather cruddy about herself now that everyone thinks she is a man.
Puso8/19/2009 11:45 AM
So when i was it decided that only Sexy looking dolls will participate in the tracks, other countries have shown us their ugly ducklings and No- One questioned their gender. I say BS
thatho8/19/2009 11:42 AM
those sheep..wanted to move the world cup to their land..now this..Caster definately looks male but will prove them wrong
Mpika8/19/2009 11:36 AM
I'm officially Anti-Aussie. Caster go on and win the race tonight.The Aussies are just trying to put on some trauma on you so u can lose focus.Show them what you made off. I will be waiting for you at home sister..!
Castor's Friend8/19/2009 11:35 AM
Just spoke to Castor wishing her luck...she said that she is enjoying all the attention and she is bringing back nothing but gold medal to Mzansi
Rae8/19/2009 11:34 AM
I Rate she still has Feminine features...Ja her body is totally built like a man but her face shows traces of a lady! They should do the chromosome tests Then SEMENYA can throw the evidence in all Of their faces :) YOU GO GIRL!! :)
brian8/19/2009 11:31 AM
i must confess, i'm also a bit confused about '(her)' gender, but come on people athletics sa would'nt take that chance. As far as i'm concerned as long as she brings back as many of those medals as she can, i'm cool.........
A man8/19/2009 11:29 AM
Maybe she/he can run the mens 800 aswell and bring back two golds for us :-)
Tsholofelo8/19/2009 11:27 AM
@Ben Martin - you are disgusting and annoying, what do you know hey???? "African women are thicker down there" so i am guessing you have done your research?Such comments are annoying. Stick to the issue at hand is Caster Semenya a man or woman? Quit sensationalising and generalising topics you have no clue about.
Tsholofelo8/19/2009 11:25 AM
@Ben Martin - you are disgusting and annoying, what do you know hey???? "African women are thicker down there" so i am guessing you have done your research?Such comments are annoying. Stick to the issue at hand is Caster Semenya a man or woman? Quit sensationalising and generalising topics you have no clue about.
Aussie "Bulge"8/19/2009 11:24 AM
Lets to the gene tests and settle it for all the armchair scientists, but i stand by my "bulge" trouseriour expectoria theory.
Athi Noah8/19/2009 11:22 AM
@PointBlank point taken! I agree with you this has nothing to do with race, mybe my own projections (of what I'm experiencing) as a South African came into play here!
women's lib8/19/2009 11:20 AM
What's all the fuss about? Even if she were a man running amongst women there should be no outcry....After all, that's what Gender Equality Groups have been fighting for....Remove all gender based divisions and let them run, jump, hop, skip and do everything else alongside the man! She may even beat him in a "pissing" competition, so remove the signs from the toilets too...lol!
Lebo8/19/2009 11:16 AM
Yah neh, think he is a man,
Jeep8/19/2009 11:13 AM
I know she is a woman cos Ive shagged her
Audrey8/19/2009 11:12 AM
Hell no! I listened to a recording of Caster on Highveld this morning. I tend to agree with the Aussie's. I would certainly think she is a guy and would like know if he/she has gone under a surgeons blade or taking any meds.
@ Athi Noah8/19/2009 11:10 AM
Ag please man.... do you remember Maria Motolo.. she also looked like a man and she is IAAF sweetheart when it comes to the 800m and she is BLACK.... LInford Christie.... Black.... Usaine Bolt.... Black..... Micheal Johnson.... Black..... Carl Lewis..... Black, and these are the great names in athletics where do youcome with the idea that its a racist attack..... most of us have moved on and changed our mindsets... you my friend are living in a mindset pre Adolf Hitler in my opinion damn she does have the body of a man.... Ill be proud to be ripped like that
Peter8/19/2009 11:09 AM
A look at her private parts will proof absolutely nothing. The only conclusive thing is a chromosome count.
Raymond Hocknell8/19/2009 11:06 AM
@ athi noah - I don't think it is race issue Noah, Aussies don't like white South Africans either bud. Nobody ever complained about Maria Mutola.
ntombi 8/19/2009 11:04 AM
What a breath of fresh air from diverse, positive and supportive comments about 1 black person who is trying hard to put up a good picture about her country. I'm saying this thinking about the recent arguments we've had about oMalema, Oshabir Shaik, OZuma, OMpofu, etc,etc, O those were so energy-draining I just wanted to disappear into the deep blue sea of oblivion. Thanks good people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
katman8/19/2009 11:03 AM
It's way more complicated than checking for a package. Some people are born with male and female chromosomes. Some are born with partial or complete male and female genitalia. Not having a penis isn't enough to pass the test.
Terry8/19/2009 11:00 AM
Before we pooh-pooh this suspicion, remember about 10 years ago when SA won the Soccer under 16 world champions, and it turned out that half the team were overage with some of the 'star' players 19 years old - and they had fake ID documents. So there are tests to determine if someone is male or female - lets do the tests and prove it one way or the other.
Ben Martin8/19/2009 10:58 AM
@ Aussie: So what if there is what appears to be a bulge there? Those of us in the know will tell you that "African" women are thicker in that area.
Johan8/19/2009 10:58 AM
Maybe the Australian Tri-Nations rugby team needs to be tested, to see if there are any males in the team.
Elizma8/19/2009 10:56 AM
You go girl, show them what you can do...we are behind you all the way.
compound8/19/2009 10:55 AM
the pic aint fuuny everyone can see that thats a gady (guy + lady)
Elizma8/19/2009 10:55 AM
You go girl, show them what you can do...we are behind you all the way.
Gad8/19/2009 10:54 AM
I think Rickey Ponting is really a woman...he's always whinning like one. I think they should do a gender test...if he didn't do up his top button, I probably wouldn't be suspicious!!!
Aethelus8/19/2009 10:53 AM
Try to Google Mosaicism, and learn a little about genetics, If it turns out that she has more male chromosomes than female she will be disqualified. Sad and maybe a little unfair to her but a fact of nature!
wacky wednesday8/19/2009 10:52 AM
I'm also curious ....
Shanly's Kin8/19/2009 10:51 AM
Besides her looking like a man, she even sounds like one too!!! Saw an interview on eTV before they left for Berlin. Freakin' scary. It's funny because I was just joking about this issue last night. Lol!!
Monica8/19/2009 10:51 AM
Athi Noah - did you seriously have to bring race into this!! It has absolutely nothing to do with an African woman beating white woman. She is just one woman against other woman and doing a damn fine job at winning!! They have their doubts if she is female, and rightly so. She is extremely strong and well built, but i am sure that is all down to serious training and dedication. The tests will prove them wrong, and she will continue to win as a woman against other woman. Regardless of what colour they are. She is defintiely not the first African woman to win against white woman, and race was never an issue then. Think about what you have just said, and answer - are you sure you are not the racist?
Smyles8/19/2009 10:48 AM
What about Ricky Ponting? No one wanted a gender test on him/her/ sheep? We let RP bleet through the press conferences without raising questions on gender.
Proudly SA8/19/2009 10:46 AM
This is ridiculous, she's black and comes from South Africa. Duh! She can't have had a sex change, there's poverty here and we blacks got more important things to use money on, poverty comes to mind.
Kingkaizer8/19/2009 10:45 AM
The Aussies are always behind our back in terms of sports. They do not appreciate anything from us. Remember the old man Dempsey (may his soul rest in peace) for 2006 FIFA World Cup, plan B for 2010 FIFA World Cup? Please leave us alone.
Aussie8/19/2009 10:45 AM
You cannot deny there is a bulge.
Anton8/19/2009 10:44 AM
If Semenya is tested or "inspected" to determine her gender, I think it is only fair that some of the Australian rugby players involved in Saturdays upcoming test against the AB's, undergo the same gender tests. Just so our suspicions can also be laid to rest!
Jez8/19/2009 10:44 AM
Ag please, Athi Noah. Go and find some other place to babble about race. Must you always play that card? It's getting really, really tired now. GO CASTER!!!!
Barry8/19/2009 10:41 AM
Aussies go and play with your sheep, mate, seems like you have brain cells of sheep as well.
Kingkaizer8/19/2009 10:41 AM
The Aussies are always behind our back in terms of sports. They do not appreciate anything from us. Remember the old man Dempsey (may his soul rest in peace) for 2006 FIFA World Cup, plan B for 2010 FIFA World Cup? Please leave us alone.
misha8/19/2009 10:40 AM
Athi Noah - what a stupid remark, even if she was pink she would still look like a man!
Chris8/19/2009 10:40 AM
Shame man... That's a confidence killer before she's even run in the finals.
Nari8/19/2009 10:36 AM
what a disgrace, especialy in womans months, what a disgrace, u go girl and do ur thing, good luck, keeep rocking
ray8/19/2009 10:35 AM
this is quite something...just because this girl is opening up a can of whip- ass on the rest of the athletes, she is suddenly a man. You go girl and bring back some gold to SA, where it was probably mined in the first place. I am proud of you and will be glued to the telly tonight, watching you run circles around the rest.
J John8/19/2009 10:35 AM
@ Athi Noah, it is insinuation you idiot, or have i been a racist now? Grow up and stop living in the nineties, get with it then we will beat even more countries. Go Semenya, bring that medal!
Andrew8/19/2009 10:33 AM
In Oz, men are men and women are men and last I heard sheep were women..it's all so confusing !!! You go SEMENYA and bring back GOLD...I think she might break the world record too..Besides nearly every female athlete from the "stans" ie, uzbekhistan, scratchmycrotchastan etc are very manly looking...As long as we look past that "bulge" she is a gurl !!
d.one8/19/2009 10:33 AM
We are watching you tonight, we back you 100%. Bring the gold back, make us proud girl!!!!
wessel8/19/2009 10:32 AM
There we go typical Australian sportmanship..if they can't win because they are not good enough ..a conspiracy threory evolves..what can you expect they were a penal colony, obviously can't escape from thier persecusion parranoia...relax people no one is OUT TO GET YOU!!!! However the All Blacks are going to kick your butt this weekend...and we WILL WIN THE TRI-NATIONS... just suck it up be men!!!!
ric8/19/2009 10:32 AM
@ Spence Australia - where men are men and sheep are scared.
the crow8/19/2009 10:31 AM
im fully behind our lady. we will accept any result as long as she givces of her best. there are many ladies in SA that are just very muscular due to their genetics. we cannot change this. These dumb officials should check the german females as they look, talk and have hair like men. these iaaf officials must have been with transvestites to make accusations. As for those retard ozzies who are sore losers, get over it. We are about to kick your a***S is athletics too.
Felix8/19/2009 10:29 AM
"she" looks like a man - even her trainer agrees. Where there is a smoke ..............
Fissim8/19/2009 10:26 AM
Yaaaaaa not too sure about that long jump chick from East Germany Susen Tiedtke either.......
Mchanga8/19/2009 10:25 AM
You are all missing the point - It is a pure case of discrimination against the way a person looks - !! Woman are demanding equality in life - so then if she does turn out to be male - be quiet and run...woman want equality in life - so then go out there and prove your just as good as the men folk. Run as fast, or faster - you then have earned the right to point a finger. Until then - NO DISCRIMINATION ALLOWED. (ps - I am female)
Point Blank@Athi Noah8/19/2009 10:21 AM
Nathi, strange that you would feel the need to mention race issues? Give it a rest already! This has nothing to do with her beating white woman, what a lame thing to say, for many, many years black athlete's have dominated world athletics especially track. Please, broaden your mind just a liitle more ok?
T8/19/2009 10:20 AM
Just a question... does anyone remember Maria Mutola? No-one questioned her gender despite her manly physique??? I must admit that there are a few other female athletes at these World Champs that could be misaken for men if they cut their hair and leave the make-up of?!?!
Naz8/19/2009 10:18 AM
@ alibaba.mate the issue here is that everytime south africans excel at something,you aussies have got something to say.please tell your media to rather count your sheep and leave our sports 24 team to report on our countrys sport news
Clint8/19/2009 10:18 AM
.....enter the Aussie media, very quick to assume that she WILL get disqualified before the finals. All I can say is, its a sad day when one countries sporting media has got some sort of motive to try and destroy or tarnish another countries sporting image. Sad when such complete idiotic journo's actually have positions in the media and mi-uses this to punt their own view of things, I think its called propoganda.
mike8/19/2009 10:17 AM
Ok, admittedly she's not exactly "feminine". There are very easy medical tests to irrefutably determine gender, which don't require the removal of pants...I'm sure if there was ANY issue, she'd have been checked already. On an aside, anyone notice how flabby (relative to the others) the American on the right looks? I hope she continues to do well!
Mseja8/19/2009 10:16 AM
Oh bull...t . Whatever the Aussies say about SA stinks like swine flu. They wanted to host the SWC ridiculling us being not ready.Syd you are spot -on these morons are confused and and they are looking for anything to taint our country with. Caster will achive gold today.
Brownsuit8/19/2009 10:12 AM
I think that is a man.... seriously... I can see a bulge in those "shorts"...
Eolathin8/19/2009 10:11 AM
What?? That is just plain rude! I think femininity comes in all shapes and that, just because you don't conform to society's idea of what a woman should look like, you should not get bullied because of it. god, the woman has a HOT bod!! C'mon FHM, show us you can appreciate her too!
FDK8/19/2009 10:10 AM
I knew it !!! - do the test and then determine the gender.If she wont submit to a test - then something is wrong!!
Spence8/19/2009 10:10 AM
Rich coming from Austrailia... where men are men are women are too!
The Oracle8/19/2009 10:08 AM
Thats very funny, has anyone commented on the gender of the other women at the games because they look more like men than women. This is just utter BS.
Craig8/19/2009 10:06 AM
hmmm well some people do sit on the fence of the gender boundry...BUT surely once you've seen the... "downstairs region" you couldnt STILL need to do genetic screening??? How confusing could it be? or scary on the other hand?
Alibaba @ Syd8/19/2009 10:05 AM
Dream on mate - let's leave Rugby and Cricket out of it for now because we can debate for ages, but soccer!!?? The Aussies will beat 9 out of every 10 times in Soccer, and they are just getting better. T&F - go look at medal counts over the last few Olympics and IAAF world champs - those guys have world class systems in place and their athletes work damn hard for what they achieve, and they only reward the best...
Jorje Michel8/19/2009 9:59 AM
Jealous Aussies at it again. South Africa is beating them left and right in Rugby, Cricket, and soon to be Soccer. They wanted FIFA to take away the 2010 Soccer World Cup and give it to them without sweating to host it, claiming security and crime issues. Now they are jealous of a young girl who is about to take the world by storm. Why they never questioned her gender when she won in previous athletics meetings? The Aussies are starting to get on our nerves and if they want us South Africans to give them a raw deal when they visit S.A. they should just say it straight.
Athi Noah8/19/2009 9:59 AM
...this is not a gender issue, gender is just being used as a proxy for something deeper. I t is incomprehensible for some for an African woman like Semenya to out run, white women and from the '1st world countries' and to break a world record on top of that. In their minds, either the African faked her identity or used some illegal substance or probably changed her gender. I am really disgusted by this insuation, how low can people go? Stop your racist attitude!
roxy738/19/2009 9:59 AM
Oh for goodness sake! Surely they know for sure that she's a woman? Yes a very masculine one but still. Very patriotic Andre! I think it's fantastic that we have an athlete that's doing this well !! You go girl!!!
Naz8/19/2009 9:58 AM
Semenya we are behind you. You go girl!!!! Show them aussies what our south african women are made of.....
FIzz8/19/2009 9:57 AM
Trust Australian newspapers to go on about SA being cheats again. Seems like an inferiority complex. Although, she is definately built like a man. Perhaps she could join Western Province in the future. She looks more manly than most province players.
Semenya supporter8/19/2009 9:57 AM
You go Lady guy!!
T Bone8/19/2009 9:56 AM
These allegations are a bit rich coming from a nation that can't even tell the difference between a woman and a sheep and get their pleasure from "tying me kangaroo down"!
Tsipa8/19/2009 9:55 AM
The factg that someone looks like a man doesn't necesarily mean she is a man. People are made different, but you can't cheat gender and Semenya is a woman, finish and klaar!
Bubbles8/19/2009 9:54 AM
Trust the aussies to be at the centre of all the speculation.we beat them in cricket,we whipped them in rugby and now this.they are just soooo jealous.jealousy makes you nasty...how true!!!
Tieho 8/19/2009 9:51 AM
Just win and do your thing girl!
andre8/19/2009 9:44 AM
i knew it!
Syd8/19/2009 9:42 AM
The Aussies cannot stand to see any South African succeed at any sporting code. I think our media is very nice to theie Aussie counter-parts and it is about time that one returns the favour. I am sick and tired of seeing these fools ridicule our sports stars because we are better than them. Cricket, Rugby, Track, soccer and many other codes, Aussies face it, we are better than you.
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