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Strange signals to Prince

2009-03-10 22:18
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Ashwell Prince

Rob Houwing, Sport24 chief writer

Cape Town – Ashwell Prince may well be scratching his head, wondering whether he has been handed a garland or a hand grenade.

Tuesday’s announcement that the Proteas vice-captain had been tasked with leading the humbled team in the dead-rubber third Test against Australia at Newlands next week was accompanied by the proviso that he also open the batting – overwhelmingly foreign territory to him.

For the Warriors left-hander, this is a bit like earning a last-minute upgrade to business class for a long-haul flight but then discovering that your flat-bed seat isn’t working.

There had been some speculation, understandably, that the pack of cards would be shuffled to ensure that Prince could reoccupy the No 5 position he had served with great distinction up to his unfortunate thumb injury on the eve of the first Test of the away series against the Aussies in Perth.

Instead the national selectors have made it clear that he is earmarked to share first-strike duty with debutant Imraan Khan, 24, the in-form Dolphins player.

Khan has been in prolific SuperSport Series touch this summer although ironically this supposed all-rounder’s off-spin career has more or less ceased to exist.

The other newcomer to a 12-man squad, with Neil McKenzie and Morne Morkel the casualties for the fiascos that were the Johannesburg and Durban Tests, is Prince’s Warriors team-mate Wayne Parnell, still only 19.

The fast-medium bowler, who showed some promise in occasional limited-overs opportunities for South Africa in Australia, has played only 10 first-class matches for 26 wickets at a so-so average of 31.00, so there is some risk attached to his inclusion.

That said, he may not even crack the starting nod in Cape Town as it may well be between him and Albie Morkel, Morne’s older brother, for one place in the attack.

A personal wish is that Morkel finally gets a stab at the Test arena in a match ripe for experimentation now, even if his own credentials as a first-class seam bowler are not wholly convincing; he is more renowned as a one-day customer.

In his favour is that he would bring a much-needed, dynamic-hitting injection – probably at No 8 -- to an unacceptably lengthy Proteas Test tail, which has been exposed by the Baggy Greens’ bowlers on South Africa’s often less-than-true pitches.
Prince faces a tough task at the top of the order against a remarkably rejuvenated Aussie pace attack in which Peter Siddle is now not very far behind the fiery Mitchell Johnson in “handful” terms.

It is true that Prince has often encountered the second new ball from his more customary middle-innings role, but that is still rather different from tackling it at the very outset.

Ironically he is now going the way of the axed McKenzie, who had made the Test move from a lower spot to the front strikingly successfully until this season, where he has looked scratchy and vulnerable both away and home against the Australians.

Prince may be just a little miffed that it is he who makes the challenging switch to ensure that positions three to six – incumbents Hashim Amla, Jacques Kallis, AB de Villiers and JP Duminy respectively – are not tampered with.

But at least he has his rightful spot back in the team, and that’s a good start.

Now he has to show simultaneously that he is the right stuff as an acting leader in Graeme Smith’s absence; he performed the role in Sri Lanka a few years ago when Smith was also out of action and, at the time, was only too happy to give it back – he said as much himself.

Now we will gauge whether he is more assured in the leadership berth…  

 

Your Comments

Anonymous User3/16/2009 1:58 PM
Get rid of the clique, Bouch must go Smith kicked of the selection panel, AB must be told to keep, Kallis must start playing for his team not himself!
Michael3/15/2009 11:28 PM
Finally supporters are seeing the light. SA cricket are a bunch of spineless twats. Think of players lost...Klusener, Hall, Dippenaar, Langeveldt, Rudolph...the list goes on and on. What is truly sad is that most players, except the clique, never know whether they will be in the squad or not. Prince (vice captain) is the most recent victim. I pity the careers of Morne and JP
Ricky3/14/2009 5:15 PM
COMING SOON IN A THEATRE THEATRE NEAR YOU: Hitchhiker's guide on screwing a national team - starring Mike Procter, Micker Arthur, Rest if the selectors, Special apperances by AB Devilliers & J Kallis..
keith Griffen3/13/2009 8:27 AM
If RSa are the best test cricket in the world, they would hava repeated their australian heroics, and would not blame chance, the toss or the 'lucky' moments of phil huges shots- i mean its not lucky to break an 80 year record, especially if RSA were in top form prior to the series.....i cant believe its taken an amateur if not rookie australian team to beat RSA......
keith barnes3/12/2009 5:12 PM
It is true when a team wins we all rejoice,when we loose we all criticise,when Gibbs scored 175 who could forget, now that he needs help his not good enough,GS and MA was Gibbs' downfall,Procter was never a fan of the best batsman HHG
Anonymous User3/12/2009 1:30 AM
Clearly @Neil knows squat about cricket. He's advocating for Mac & Morne to stay. What were you smoking when you were watching the games, any fool could see that they are out of sorts along with a certain Boucher! Rudolph made himself unavailable and FYI Prince is the best batsman available, he should never have been dropped in the 1st place! The 2 worst batsmen in the team was Mac & Bouch and yet they were selected ahead of Prince, who clearly is the better batsman. People were outraged @ the suggestion that Prince open & Mac must be dropped for the 1st test, yet now that they have cost us a series now they want to bring Prince back. The selectors & Arthur are bigger idiots than what I thought, clearly they want to set Prince up as the fall guy, so they stick him in to open knowing full well that he is not an opener!
Kapie3/11/2009 6:56 PM
Jarre my bru Ashwill, this people is mos setting u up for failure. How da hell can they expect u to open tha batting. R they trying to get rid of u for good, my bra! Ons coloureds moet al weer aan die korste end trek, neh! We are getting tired of proving a point - moet al ewig 2 keer beter doen om ons plek te behou innie span. Shame on Proctor and Arthur for this move.
noel3/11/2009 6:06 PM
Its time for Boucher to say bye bye! Twenty's and Thirty's do not make it anymore we need real batters!
Anonymous User3/11/2009 5:32 PM
At LAST!!!!. Somebody with brains well said Hilton
Anonymous User3/11/2009 5:07 PM
WHAT A LOAD OF RUBBIS THAT IS ALL I READ OUR SUPPORTERS ARE THE PALOOKAS,FICKLE AND OBVIOSLY DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE GAME.ONE JUST HAS TO LOOK AT THE STATS OF SMITH AND THE TEAM THEY DONT LIE!!!!!!!!.WAKE UP
mark3/11/2009 4:40 PM
Let's hope Ashwell Prince can at least win the toss. Ponting has won the toss 5 out of 5 tests now. In Sydney, Joburg and Durban the opportunity to bat first was a big advantage.
billybob3/11/2009 4:31 PM
As a one eyed Aussie supporter i'm very happy the natural order of things is starting to be restored. what I don't get is the SA team selections. I would have thought that Gibbs would be a shoe in at the top of the order?? Ok he's a drunk. Yes he did once drop the world cup, however, I saw him bat in the one dayers here and he looked the one SA batsman apart from Smith who could really take Australia apart. Plus the guy is a fantastic fielder.Amla go's to opener Kalis to three, AB to four and Prince at Five. I'm not the full bottle on the SA fast bowling stocks but I would have though the other Morkel could be the obvious one to take the spot, he can bat too. But hey, what would an Aussie know about cricket right??
Grootleeu3/11/2009 4:22 PM
Very sad that Herchelle is out of the system. The most talented batsman in world cricket. He's technical issues that he had at test level should have been identified and resloved by the coaching staff....Mickey Author!!!! Unfortunately he hasn't got the nessasary skills to do that!!That't why a coach is called a coach, to coach players regarding their short cummings.Herchelle's form improved when Ray Jennings was coach, reason being that Ray's technical ability is far superior to that of Mickey Author. Cricket has been robbed of one of the most talented batsman the world will ever see. I wonder what punishment shall be sufficient for such a crime???
keith barnes3/11/2009 3:33 PM
confused, Ashwell was brought back ie. he is the official test vice captain, why was he not back in the first place, he did not perform bad, he was injured.too many blacks in the side at one time is not good
Jon in Oz3/11/2009 3:15 PM
Hi there, two fantastic series, really entertaining but one thing to point out re series here in Aust - no team dominated a whole test, they were all evenly balanced until Sth Africa were able to grasp the pivotal moments. In these last two games, Australia looked like the only team that could win right from the end of day 1/ I wonder what happened? Re the Parnell/Albie Morkel selection am I right in thinking that Tsotsobe would be next in line but is injured? Re the spinner, Botha is not the answer - he is not a wicket taking test bowler - why not that young leg spinner we heard a little about before the Aust series?
Anonymous User3/11/2009 3:06 PM
Hansie: Why can't the other players be taken out of their comfort-zones. They have been under-performing for a while: Kallis move to nr 3, Boucher 12th man, AB keeper @ 6? Why pick on someone who is not part of the failure of the team?
Anonymous User3/11/2009 2:51 PM
Hahahahahahaahahahahaaha................Anonymous User 3/11/2009 9:20 AM...........................you are soooooooo funny.......what about Boucher, Morne' Morkel and Mckenzie......before we went and LOST this series, didn't they also have 'chommies' in all the right places?
Anonymous User3/11/2009 2:44 PM
People forget that just a short while ago we beat the Aussies in their back yard. I bet you the same ignorant people posting these comments were the same ones singing the Proteas' praises. Yes we have lost the last 2 tests. It is clear that the Aussies have gone back and assessed where they went wrong and come back a better prepared team, hence the 2-0 scoreline. There is one thing that irritates the cr.p out of me and that's fairweather supporters. The fact that we have not been beaten for the last 11 series' is a record any international cricket coach/captain would be proud of. Let;s all grow up . . . . . . . . . . .
Jack3/11/2009 2:33 PM
Some fans here are out of it! Firstly, Arthur has been coach through the last 11 series and lost ony 1! I admit I didnt agree with his appointment, but you cant argue with results. He and Smith have done well over these 11 series. Smith is not a great captain, but he has improved a lot since 2003. He remains one of the very best batsmen in the side. I think we need to look at CSA on these selections. Procter is convener, but he gets a lot of input from CSA. I doubt he has huge influence. Not disrupting the order by putting Prince in at the top has a certain sense. However, I dont like an SA side that has to choose between Albie and Parnell as one of the key pace trio! Albie is not a test bowler and Wayne is very green. It looks as though SA has written off the 3rd test as a time to experiment.
Anonymous User3/11/2009 2:32 PM
A few comments that might help the blind - Procter and Micky M Morkel need more coaching to strengthen his upper body to become a good fast bowler.(he has no killers instinct) Boucher and Harris should go. Botha should play and act as vice capt. 1.Amla and 2.McKenzie / Kahn. 3.AB 4.Kallis 5.JP 6.Prince 7.Botha 8.Another (wk) 9-11 bowlers (
Neil3/11/2009 2:30 PM
I think they have got it wrong! Prince is not the best available player! Jacques Rudolph should be there! Should have brought in Kahn, with McKenzie to open! Prince will struggle of that I have no doubt and I feel this is not fair on him as a player. Leave the side, with Mac and Kahn opening, Amla, Kallis, and the rest to follow, with Morkel being dropped from the attack, and replaced by Parnel, which is a change I would not have made, I would have left Albie in there, which would have given the batting more legs. If I had to choose between Prince and Rudolph, I would have gone the Rudolph route, an all round better player! Always has been! And lets face it, the Aussies outplayed us fair and square! Take it on the chin, and stop whining! They did to us in our back yard what we did to them! And hey, it has been good, hard test cricket! Long may it continue!
naphy3/11/2009 2:23 PM
Wonder if anyone has called Prince to let him know he'll be opening and captaining yet. Maybe Procter is still on a plane to Cape Town with the good news.
Anonymous User3/11/2009 2:17 PM
Fire the entire selection panel! They are not serving SA cricket, they are doing a disservice to the nation, players and the game! Gone are the days when selectors selected a winning team, they selected a popular team for the 1st two tests. Boucher, Mac, Kallis are playing because of past achievements, Kallis is clearly not a team man neither is that arrogant AB. Where is the respect for the game that they are said to be promoting? Fire the whole lot of incompetent selectors including Mickey Mouse and get a group that has carries the prosperity of SA cricket at heart!
MLED3/11/2009 1:53 PM
Funny how we went from a high of motivation, chasing a 2nd world record 414, batting it down, winning a series to THIS, an absolute disgrace. Having more than enought time to bat the totals down, however big it was, yet choosing to scratch and play for a draw. Prince is a much better player than the management gives him credit. Bringing him in basically to sign his own death certficate is low. I was and is still totally peeved with the way we just gave away the series. I am sure the decisions to play for the draw came from the leaders, GS, MB, JK and AB. Hoe pathetic. Hersh would have been the ideal choice at the beginning of the series, after they dropped McKenzie and Smith, who clearly could not have healed in the time he was off, who would have given the vice captain the opportunity to bat at his best position. I foresee us losing the 3rd test, as wanting to show a fighting spirit for a dead rubber does not buy any favours from me. Where was the fighting spirit in the past 2 games. I would taken a loss by 50, going down fighting, rather than 170, die to pathetic decisions.
Ferdinand3/11/2009 1:51 PM
@BeFair: Spot On! You know Garnet Kruger also went on Inside Edge and said some pretty startling things about Mickey Arthur and the way things are run in the team. He said they never gave him and others any support, he was left alone to find his own feet while players like A.B (who was really struggling at the time) were held by the hand and got the full backing of the coach and captain. He was dismissed as a bitter talentless darkie. Maybe it's time to listen and open our eyes. The signs are there for all to see, all is not as it seems in this team. Come to think of it, it was naiive of us to think all was fair in SA cricket. This Prince saga has been a travesty from the time he was dropped!
Chap3/11/2009 1:36 PM
OK, so we've all had a good go at MA and bitched about Prince having to open. Let's look at what we really have here: 1) Smith is a great bat and good capt and must stay when fit 2) Boucher has been wonderful for SA cricket for a long time but that time must end because he just cannot produce the goods anymore, especially under pressure, which used to be his greatest strength 3) Harris has performed admirably, but our tail is far too long, and Botha is a much more attacking bowling option, who can also bat. 4) AB is great, but his attitude stinks regarding donning the gloves. Now, let's look to the future - Kuhn is the best keeper/batter option in the country and must get blooded. Tsotsobe will eventually replace Ntini. Morne has great potential but needs to head back to domestic cricket and learn his trade again, so bring in Albie to give us better options and batting depth. Imraan Khan may well impress, but we will only need him when Smith is injured. Amla did well as opener, and has done for the Dolphins, but McKenzie's value as opener was builing partnerships and wearing the shine off the ball - he did his primary job well, even though he didn't score big runs. Now until everything is sorted out with injury and squabbles and form etc, look how much stronger we will be if AB keeps and Morne gets his mojo back: 1) Smith 2) Amla 3) Prince 4) Kallis 5) AB 6) JP 7) Albie 8) Botha 9) Morne 10) Steyn 11) Ntini. Now that is a far more balanced team - we have quota, batting depth, and bowling variation. We have 6 frontline batsmen and 2 genuine allrounders, with Botha and Morne an extra 2 in the making. We have 3 frontline seamers, Ablie and Kallis support, quality spinner in Botha, plus part time spin from JP for variation. We have so many great options with this side. Ultimately, Kallis and Ntini will retire and Kuhn and Tsotsobe will replace, with AB moving up the order to 4.
Bob3/11/2009 1:34 PM
Strange things happen ?&@#!? Mckenzie should not have gone to Australia in the first place . He is passed his sell by date . Move Amla to open - which he has basically been doing because of Mckenzie inept/shocking performance Bring Prince in at his normal batting position .And maybe get rid of Mickey Mouse as well . Where are the Clive Rices and Kepler Wessels of the world . This side needs some serious discipline knocked into it .
Shaun3/11/2009 1:22 PM
Hilton has just hit the nail on the head and so has Steven,you people just bitch. We beat the best team in the world in Aus,now we lose 2 games and now we must just fire everyone, you did not say that a month ago. S A Will come back and then we will talk again
Anonymous User3/11/2009 1:20 PM
@Mr Cricket , times will change and so will you, when the ball gets old ...you have to take the new ball. Talk about experience that shines through..not just stats. I believe Kallis was the hero of both the tests... he stood in with bat and ball and took it on the chin like a man....thats experience. AB did his part with the bat in both tests...thats experience.Please dont speak for the rest...they dont deserve such stature, and be a man talk about the game and not politics. You must be burning like an ass on fire at the inclusion of new players...they deserve the opportunity, because GS has butter fingers bailing out ...MA didnt have the balls to make changes to poor performers like MB, Like you ...there are plenty of other red faced hypocrites who are either traditionalists or loyalists, sounds like old politics...doesnt it. If you want to say something "be fair", identify that change is in the best interest of the game.
Anonymous User3/11/2009 1:16 PM
Most of you people on here have no idea about cricket! Maybe once you get an idea then comment! Otherwise shut your traps and let the cricketers get on with there jobs and continue the rise to the top, that is probably why most of you sit in lower position jobs and have not treached the top because you think it will just happen over night for you! AB will be number 1 batsmen in the world, why wouldn't he want to concentrate on that! We have a number of potential keepers to come in! Why the issue with Boucher? You all love him when we are winning! You bunch of sour losers....................................... Why don't you stick up for your team through thick and thin, you guys have no idea about loyalty and passion.
Anonymous User3/11/2009 12:44 PM
@BeFair. My sentiments exactly. The inclusion of Prince under such pretences smucks that of an administration full of crap, having an alterior motive. The guy is not a specialist opener at first class level, nevermind test cricket, so what do u expect from him? To scratch around for 15 of 100 balls like McIdiot? Or better yet, be first man out in both innings? Add onto that his responsibilities of leading a disfunctional team and you have a recipe for disaster (as planned). Poor ol' Ash! Furthermore, if Ashwell is indeed next inline to lead the team, why wasn't he even part of the set-up for the first 2 tests, thereby contributing tactically behind the scenes, instead of playing 1st class cricket? The CT test will go the same route as the previous 2 and the selectors will have justified their reason for "excluding" Prince! Amazing how we can plot our own demise after such a high in Aus!
Mr Cricket3/11/2009 12:34 PM
MA, GS, JK, MB, A.B clique will be the downfall of the Proteas! They are quickly becoming the Zanu-PF of SA cricket! ....I think 'Be Fair' has the best but more so really obvious comments and I agree 100%
Anonymous User3/11/2009 12:00 PM
white wash is on the cards. clutching at straws. Cricket is rotten to the core. only a handful of nations and we cannot even beat the auzies ha ha ha ha. Professionals that paid millions get beaten by amateur outfit Bangladesh that don't even get paid ha ha ha ha you go cricket go. tata ma cricket tata all the way to the bottom. Viva ma Soccer Viva, 2010 common.
Douw Nortier3/11/2009 11:59 AM
I am glad Ashwell is back in the team. AB turned down the wk job, it seems like inside politics as usual. AB or Amla should open in my opinion. If Amla open who plays no 3 then, Kallis won't... Dropping Morkel for Morkel... why not... extra batter always a bargain. In anycase credit to Aus blowing the proteas away like a puff of dust... awfull..
Ash3/11/2009 11:52 AM
Proteas did not deserve to win because they are CHOKERS..good riddens mckenzie & morkel..But what about the coach..they should replace him as well.Go for the whitewash OZ....3-0 .how humiliating. !!
Logan3/11/2009 11:46 AM
Give Boucher the boot, there are many better keepers/batsmen, Smit from KZN is one of them he can bowl as well. Good choice to give Imran a chance he's the for batsman, look what he did for the SA A team vs Aussies. It's time our selectors become less conservative and look to the future. Australia came over with a virtully inexperienced team and kicked our asses.....
Anonymous User3/11/2009 11:39 AM
Good thing Smith is injured,Botha in, McKenzie OUT bring in the guys in form ,stop looking for excuses and select the right players
Anonymous User3/11/2009 11:34 AM
The only decent comment made so far is from the only Aussie person to comment. Thank you for teaching my fellow supporters a little something about winning and losing.
Yucca3/11/2009 11:20 AM
@ BeFair I agree with you about AB I lost respect for him. He does not want to be part of a "team" and go for individual glory instead. Cant he just keep and we get an extra batsman instead of mark? Surely he can see the team will benefit.
Anonymous User3/11/2009 11:16 AM
Fire Mickey and proctor give my two year old the job I'm sure he can do a better job then Twiddle Dumb and Twiddle Dumber.
Anonymous User3/11/2009 11:08 AM
@ Tito, that is how the "big four", mind you they are quite big - more overweight than anything else, runs the team! They decide for the selectors, bring back Ray Jennings. He didn't take anyones crap, not the selectors or players or administrators. He told everyone exactly where to get off and Smith & co could handle that. With Ray @ the helm we will become ruthless @ winning again. His motto is you play to win, that's it! If you want to enjoy the game & have fun go play club cricket or in the park with your mates!
BeFair3/11/2009 10:58 AM
Prince went on Iside Edge and exposed the coach and selectors for what they truly are, COWARDS. Losing while Prince is available is getting embarrasing for them so they slot him back in to open and captain. This move was designed to make him fail and get rid of him. 1.He is still pissed at being dropped in the first place, how could he be mentally okay to not only open but captain as well? 2. He made his name at number five, If the option to open with Prince was always there then why was it not taken in the first place? 3. A.B can CHOOSE not to keep (which would help the team), Kallis can CHOOSE not to bat at three (which might help the team), Why the hell is Prince being FORCED to bat at one (which cannot be good for the team)? I shit you not, this MA, GS, JK, MB, A.B clique will be the downfall of the Proteas! They are quickly becoming the Zanu-PF of SA cricket!
Hassan3/11/2009 10:50 AM
Wayne Parnell should not be in the squad. Charl Langeveldt should be persuaded to return from international retirement. He is a world class swing bowler who also bowls alot of yorker/full length deliveries, something the Aussies did and South Africa failed at, and also currently in good form. But the squad has been announced - Prince should come in at five, Amla can open, as he has already proven that he can. Albie should play ahead of Wayne.Its a pity the selectors only realise their folly after all is lost. As for the Pro20, selecting 15 players is certainly not going to give players a reasonable opportunity to make a mark at international level. Maby of the new players who are promising and in good nick at the moment will only get 1 game, which is not sufficient and there is no consistency. Yusuf Abdullah deserves his selection in the squad. I also would like to charl Langeveldt playing here as he has proven himself in this format of the game. Roelof van de Merwe had a good season however i think Goolam Bodi would be an attacking batsman who can also bowl. Johan Louw does not look the part with the ball.
sera3/11/2009 10:46 AM
I think Prince needs to be made permanent captain ahead of Smith. Smith is a good opener and that should be his primary role. He was injured quite a lot over the last 6 months leading to changes too often. And please, Boucher is way past his sell-by-date especially with the bat.
Zain3/11/2009 10:38 AM
Ricky: I agree, problem is Kallis does not want to bat @ 3, AB does want to keep & Kallis, AB & Smith want Boucher in the team. So now what? They are dictating their roles, yet the vice captain can't, It's a load of BS if you ask me....
Anonymous User3/11/2009 10:33 AM
@ Just Cricket, that's just plain stupid to have 3 wicketkeepers in the team! I agree bring in Kuhn and drop one 1 of of the other 2 keepers, it's your pick!
Eddie Guild3/11/2009 10:29 AM
Its good that Prince is back in the side but opening bat I think not he should be at 4 or 5 lets hope he does not have an embarrising innings.
Dr DoLittle3/11/2009 10:29 AM
Very disappointed that Botha has not replaced Harris. Would have strengthened the team considerably. Boucher is lucky to retain his spot (he was good a LONG time ago). Morne Morkel has a lot of potential (ball and bat), but also disappointed. Rather drop Ntini (he is over his best and can't bat) and retain M. Morkel or replace with A.. Morkel. McKenzie should have been dropped before this series. He showed no fighting spirit. Prince has a good head and concentration powers. Good luck to him.
Anonymous User3/11/2009 10:20 AM
AUSSIE COMMENT: in oz we looked tired and flat, this time SA did. we have won and our best 4 players were Johnson, Hughes, Siddle and North(!) Bowlers win tests - SA batting line-up is good enough (Amla a joy to watch) The SA BOWLERS were too short, too innaccurate and lacked intensity for too long - this is why you lost. Well either that or the Smith dropped catch on the first morning! thx GS!
Muhammad3/11/2009 10:18 AM
What rubbish people, ok we were off the boil, but we did win in Australia ... if we win in Cape Town, the series is squared 3-3, not too bad, most of us would have taken that anyway. As for the team, Imran Khan deserves to be there, highest scorer in SS this season ...
Anonymous User3/11/2009 10:16 AM
My team, 1. Herchy, 2. Amla, 3. Kallis, 4/5. AB (WK), 5/4 Prince, 6. Duminy, 7. A Morkel, 8, Botha, 9. M Morkel, 10. Styn, 11. Ntini/Langeveld. Sack the coach give me the job. Herchy is the only one that can handle the extreme pace of he new ball
Sherwie3/11/2009 10:10 AM
Well said Paul and John and ... No player should have a choice as to what he wants to do in the team. However, the selectors should choose guys based on what is best for the team. So what am i saying. AB cannot choose to not want to stand keeper. He must. Boucher must be dropped. Prince must not open the batting. He must bat in the middle order. These decisions are for the better of the team. Pick 2 opening batters to open the innings. This will be their test to see who will partner Graeme Smith when he returns. Imran Khan did score a century against the Aussies, so I would give him the one spot. I don't think Wayne Parnell should be included just yet. I'd say give Morne one more chance, this one is debatable.
Tito3/11/2009 10:01 AM
Figure this? 1- Prince fails and he wont ever be considered for tests again. 2- Makhaya fails he will be replaced by a black being groomed in Tsotsobe, so there wont be any noise when he is dropped. 3 - Boucher will continue to fail for the next 3 seasons but remain a fixture in the team. 4 - Kallis will continue to be inconsistent and unreliable(as experienced as he is) and stay in the team till he retires. 5 - AB will play where he likes when he likes no matter what (Who cares what the team needs) 6 - Duminy will be dropped like a hot potato if his form dips.
Ryan3/11/2009 10:00 AM
It would be silly for them to open with Ashwell Prince, Amla will probably open as he did in the second innings in Durban... It's all mind games... Pointless mind games, but mind games none the less...
Anonymous User3/11/2009 10:00 AM
Fire Arthur and Proctor the reason insanity, or they smoking, or sniffing something
Kent3/11/2009 9:59 AM
Bring back Johan Botha. He led the team well in Oz and would be a better option than Paul Harris!
Edward3/11/2009 9:55 AM
This move makes no sense at all ,it illustrates total panick.You cant make Prince open the batting.I suggest Amla or DeVilliers should be instructed to open and create a space for Prince in the middle order.Alternatively drop Boucher,promote Amla to open,DeVilliers to keep wickets and Prince in the middle.
Ricky3/11/2009 9:48 AM
I think the SA line up should b like this: 1. Smith (Imraan khan due to smiths injury) 2. Hashim Amla 3. Kallis 4. A.B. (Keeper) 5. Prince 6. J.P 7. Albie Morkel 8. Paul Harris / Johan Botha 9. Morne Morkel 10. Steyn 11. Nitini Boucher hasnt scored too many lately and A B does keep.. Plus we can add albie for his batting as well as his bowling (though it may not be first class level, but he can do a mcdonald) Amla has proven that he has the skill and temprament to be an opener..
Rowan3/11/2009 9:42 AM
I cant believe the selectors. First they dont include Prince in the team even though he averages 51+ in Test cricket. Now after losing 2 matches mainly because they lacked that persistency in the middle order that Prince shows, they include him. Yes he deserves to be included, but to make him captain a team that he has been excluded from (at least starting lineup) for the past 6 months. To make him open when he is not an opener. That is now setting him up to fail. If he fails it will be such a loss to cricket because he simply is an immense talent. his shots might not be that pretty, but he produces the results time and time again. I hope he succeeds though, and the selectors and MA are proven wrong. Remove stalwart Boucher from the team, he averages 31 in test cricket, and its on a downward curve. As much as DeVilliers doesnt want to stand keeper he needs to take that responsibility, with Prince back in the team they will be able to bat till number 7. the worlds best team cannot afford to have only a wicket keeper. they need him to be a great batsmen too. remember Gilchrist...
BK3/11/2009 9:30 AM
Bring back our wonderchild Gary Kirsten to coach the side - look at what he is doing to India. The Indians have never played so well as a solidified unit and there is no doubt he is bringing out the best in key players!!!! He is undoubtedly the biggest loss to SA cricket .... for the time being that is!!!
Just Cricket3/11/2009 9:28 AM
Strange indeed. Why not open with Heino Kuhn? He is the future SA keeper plus opens for the Titans and averages 42 in first-class cricket. My Team: Kuhn, Amla, Kallis, Duminy, de Villiers, Prince, Boucher, A Morkel, Harris, Steyn, Ntini. Tough on Amla to open though. Khan deserves a chance on this seasons form (btw he averages only 38 in first-class cricket), but I think for the future of SA cricket Kuhn would have been a better choice.
Wynand3/11/2009 9:27 AM
I don't see any mention of Charl Langeveldt in all this. Maybe I'm not as knowledgeable as some of these commentators, but in my opinion he's the one we need. It's our bowling attack that's thin, not our batting and Chico has a lot to contribute.
Anonymous User3/11/2009 9:20 AM
What the...... Imraan Khan??!! There are far far far better batsmen playing in the 2nd div of SA cricket even club cricket. He has had a easy ride in Natal cricket cause of all his chommies in high places! So pathetic.
Stephen3/11/2009 9:18 AM
And the whining continues. I hope the same vigour is applied when Bafana Bafana loose to some low rank side
Lily White3/11/2009 9:13 AM
That's it. Thank God Formula 1 is around the corner. Enough of this BS...
Anonymous User3/11/2009 9:10 AM
NICE WAY OFF SOLVING PROBLEMS, TO REALLY SPICE THINGS UP WHY DIDNT THE SELECTORS JUST LEAVE BOUCHER, HEINO KHUN TO OPEN AS HE DOES FOR THE TITANS AND PUT PRINCE DOWN THE ORDER, AND WHY IS PAUL HARRIS STILL IN THE TEAM, OR ARE THE SELECTORS AFRAID THAT AUSTRALIA COMPLAIN ABOUT JOHAN BOTHA'S BOWLING AGAIN.
Anonymous User3/11/2009 9:05 AM
It's pains my heart to lose like we did @ home.
Tim3/11/2009 9:04 AM
Please can I understand the selectors mentality? I am happy with them bringing in Imraan Khan to replace Smith due to injury. I am happy with them bringing in Prince to replace McKenzie (even though I think he does not deserve to be dropped just yet), and I am also happy with Parnell for Morkel. But please tell me why Prince must open the batting? They are replacing a natural number 5 (McKenzie) who was forced to open the batting, with another natural number 5. Amla just proved in this tests 2nd innings he is more than capable of opening the batting from his natural number 3 slot. Surely that is a better option than Prince? What happens if Prince fails? He is going to get the blame for poor batting and probably poor captaincy for a silly selectors choice of batting line-up.
Hansie3/11/2009 9:04 AM
They dropped Morne Morkel, but keep Ntini. They select Parnell with a very below average performance in domestic competitions. These guys are snorting the same stuff that Joost did. They should decide if they want Kallis as batter or allrounder. An allrounder should bat no higher than 6. They've been burning that candle on both sides for too long. As far as Prince opening is concerned. McKenzie is no opener either, but he did it. Live with it. Prince is no slouch and I always thought he looked more like a opnener batting at 5 or 6. Let's see how he performs when he is taken out of THAT comfort zone.
Anonymous User3/11/2009 8:57 AM
I agree fire the Mickey Mouse Arthur and give Kepler Wessels man of steel the job. The coaches responsibility is to physically, mentally and tactically prepare his team. Mickey must have some strong medicine to retain his job, his able to pull the wool over everyone’s eyes. How does a coach take talented players like Vaughn, albie, Morne, the list goes on and on and turn them into crap. Then he hands a broken player back to there provincial unit. It is not like soccer where one plays most of your games for the club and few for country. International cricket is like a full time job coaches cannot expect provincial coaches to do there job international cricket is a step up. There is nothing wrong with our players just the coach. They did an amazing job in auz and England although it seems like it was a fluke.
Anonymous User3/11/2009 8:50 AM
Herschelle is brilliant when he is on song, but his problem is 1) that he is inconsistent, and 2) he does not have the concentration ability required for test matches.
Anonymous User3/11/2009 8:49 AM
Bring back Gibbs!
uno3/11/2009 8:42 AM
surely the weakest link was our batting, as far as bowling is concerned we bolwed in patches and somehow we managed in the two games to pull them back. it will be interesting to note that, with exclusion of the "Bangladesh series" that you would have to go back to England last August since the proteas managed to bat out a full day's play. and by the look of things it seems a pattern of over reliance on Graeme is developing..
Fikile 3/11/2009 8:39 AM
I agree with @Paul Mickey Mouse(MA) and Mike Proctor should be fired. MA is a coward, hypocrite and l cheat, he is only interested in preserving himself. He would never have the respect of all of the team members. This team performs like the Cobras one hot and cold.
Pietleeu3/11/2009 8:36 AM
There is another problem, we are throwing in a 19 year old kid , averaging 31 in domestic competition, to play the best team in the world.What about Rusty Theron averaging 20.80 taking 104 wickets in 28 games, or Dillon du Preez averaing 23 in 46 matches,Pierre Joubert is seasoned ave 22.25 in 81 matches( this season alone averaging 16 odd).OH NO - we cant pick them ,cause the we are over the quota.In that case what about.We chucked away Langeveldt ave 23 this season at 22 wickets in 5 games,We are simply not chossing the best players in the country to play for SA. Batting wise, Pierre de Bruyn is going at 73 in 8 innings,(and although his overall is only 36 in 80 odd, wouldnt you say he is on form currently), Its a load of BS . I play Premier Reserve club cricket , and every side we play from Soweto or Kagiso etc etc , got players with Gauteng Schools kit , or Gauteng under 19 , yet we bowl those sides out for 120 and hit 300.We all play for the fun and maybe get one or two training sessions in a month.Howcome we can destroy our future representitive players like that
Ray Miller3/11/2009 8:21 AM
Paul you are so right MA is such a jellyfish he leans on Smith all the time and when he isnt there he has no place to hide. Come on isnt it time for a new coach we dont need a marshmallow. It is grossly unfair on Prince and anyway I think Amla is a very good opener so why put Prince under such pressure !!!!!
Hilton 3/11/2009 8:18 AM
What really makes my "South African" blood boil is we have people who still think (that's bad enough) because they have beer, braai and a very small understanding of the game, because most of the time they are either drunk or shouting at their wives for more food. The only time they have picked up a cricket bat is to beat the neighbour who was sleeping with his wife (who can blame her) or the dog who is making more noise than you. His only understanding of the international stage is a "Hollywood porno" because he doesn't get any. If anybody can do a better job go and do it!! Stop referring to people who have "THE BALLS" to play as "PALOOKA'S" and if you want to compare us to Australians please feel free to move there and don't come back....
Yusuf3/11/2009 8:13 AM
I suppose all this wee too late , win or lose will make no difference , damaged is done
EDWARD3/11/2009 8:12 AM
THE GREATEST BATSMAN IN WORLD CRICKET TODAY IS HERSCHELLE GIBBS AND HE IS NOT INCLUDED.FURTHERMORE HE IS AN OPENING BAT WITH A TEST AVERAGE HIGHER THAN ANYONE ELSE IN THE SQUAD.IT WOULD APPEAR THAT MIKE PROCTER HAS JOINED THE AUSSIES .
Hein3/11/2009 8:07 AM
What a "gemors". We need to really jack up our bowling - some radio commentators remarked about the fact that Siddle delivered 32 consecutive balls that the Proteas had to play at before he delivered one that they could leave alone. The Protea bowlers bowl 32 left alone balls before they force the Aus batsmen to play at one. I also feel that "something" is wrong in the Protea's camp - I get the impression that they do not care what's happening. Kallis gives me the idea that he's got no more 100's left in his bat, let alone 200's. I think that the whole cricket scene needs a revamp
Cyclone3/11/2009 8:05 AM
Why are they dropping Mckenzie now, they should have axed him after the down under series. Morne didn't bowl that well, but he has the pace and bounce to trouble
Anonymous User3/11/2009 8:03 AM
Ashwell is likely to do well as an opening bat too. He, and Amla probably have the best concentration skills in the entire SA setup. Good to see Ashwell back. Good luck bru, many of us are right behind you. Smith's injury could just be a blessing in disguise. I just have had a nagging feeling that he lacks a bit in motivation ability?
Vantheman3/11/2009 7:58 AM
The prteas really are a bunch of idiots. This series has basically nullified our win over there. They have no BMT what so ever.
Burgiesburnin3/11/2009 7:56 AM
It could be worse, it could be Gibbs. This would not be a "dead" game to the real SA cricket team, the white-wash is on!
Anonymous User3/11/2009 7:55 AM
I dont understand why some of the comments here would say lets move prince to 6 and then move everyone up one spot in the order. if australia dropped hayden and there was no other opener they wont let ponting or clarke open they pick someone for that spot if people perform where they are you leave them. as for AB, he never said he wont keep for SA he said he would like to bat 4 and not keep but if they ask he will keep. Prince is unfortunate but you couldnt drop Duminy after australia that was not possible and dropping one for the bowlers would have left us a bowler short, not that Morkel covered himself in glory in anyways. At least we on the right track, mackenzie and morkel drop for not performing new blood in. If there is one thing australia taught the world is you stick with winning side you dont chop and change because someone has a bad few games. Stick with the guys they will make us proud, they have been making us proud for the past year already!!!
Henk3/11/2009 7:55 AM
Handgrenade? Come on! I am sure Prince will see this as the huge opportunity it is. Life is about grabbing opportunities when they present themselves, and as the true professional that Prince is, he will see it as just that. Come on Ashwell show us your stuff!
Navarac3/11/2009 7:54 AM
Michael has hit the nail on the head re body language. MA is quick to bask in the glory when winning, but equally quick to distance himself when we are losing. No coach should be "one of the boys".
Kyk3/11/2009 7:53 AM
Now that they cost us the series, the selectors are heading towards destroying the Prince. The know it very well that the man is not an opening material. Nonetheless, goodluck to the new comers.
Wes3/11/2009 7:47 AM
So if he does score runs as an opener then he will probably be retained as Smith's partner. SO how is it that AB has a choice as to whether he wants to open or do wicketkeeping duties?? Kallis refuses to bat at 3. Prince is however selected as an opener even though he doesn't seem too keen. It just shows which players are more interested in the well being of the team than the importance of their own careers.
Anonymous User3/11/2009 7:44 AM
Parnell is another average bowler to full the overs. Morne really looked like he had that winning belief the 2nd innings (bowling and batting). would rather see ntini out, at least morne is threatening. parnell wont pose a threat and nor will albie, another match where steyn will have to carry the team. if he had a bit more pressure put on the other side I think his wickets tally against the aussies could've looked a lot more impressive. it's disheartening when you know you only have 6 balls to build pressure then you have to start from scratch. perhaps 1 of the reasons why him and ntini are consistently in the mid 130s?
Anonymous User3/11/2009 7:41 AM
AB is good with the gloves and Bouch hasn't really perfomed well with the bat. It would only be logicall to drop the latter and retain Ashwell in the side when Graeme returns. If we as fans can see this, i wonder why it's so hard for the selectors, it surely isn't rocket science.
gpwenginener3/11/2009 7:39 AM
Why only drop Mckenzie now? His 1000 runs in 2008 included teams like bangladesh and zimbabwe. He is out of form. Now that they have lost the series they want to employ Prince. This stinks. I wish SA wins the third test...just to prove a point. Then I want to see how they going to bring Mckenzie back.
dazza3/11/2009 7:33 AM
One has to feel for prince, being shunted around like he has been. I hope he is not being set up to fail as he is one of the best middle order bats in the world and belongs there, not at opener. Lets also hope that his tenacity shines through and he can show everyone that no matter where he is in the order, class will shine through!
Al3/11/2009 6:57 AM
Who cares ? If they start showing the will to win (like the Aussies do), then I will start supporting them again. Bunch of Palooka's !
Michael3/11/2009 6:45 AM
Well done Prince. Also well done to Khan and Parnel. The fact of the matter is that we do not have exceptionally good openers to pick from in domestic series. Is that because of good bowling or a lack of talent. When players saw no opening as openers due to Gibbs and Smith being untouchable. Now we have a major problem. I do think Smith should get a long break and some tacktical lessons then he may get his job back. What will happen if new openers do well, will one of them be dumped when Smith decides he is ready to come back - hell no. The side is unhappy over something and not giving 100%. You can see it in their body language and play. Maybe a new injection with new coach and coaching team as well. NIEL HAS BEEN IN AND OUT SO MANY TIMES IT MAKES HIS HEAD SPIN. He is true class.
Fandash3/11/2009 6:40 AM
Consistency in selection was supposedly the key to us winning in Aus and now we make changes and changes which don't sit well with arm chair selectors. With the pressure off already having lost the series, it may have been prudent to retain the faithful for one last throw of the dice and then make the changes if needs be. The selectors have a tough job and will never satisfy all the supporters. I just hope we manage to salvage some pride.
John R3/11/2009 6:11 AM
Its not really mysterious. The selectors do not see Prince as a permanent fixture, just a stand in for Smith. And SA needs an opener, so he gets the job. I dont see Prince staying there when Smith returns, either Mac or Khan or someone else will be the other opener, unless Prince does well there. He has an ultimatum, perform as opener or stay as reserve middle order batsman. Plus he's deputised for Smith before, mainly because neither Kallis nor Bouch want the job. Long ago, Prince did bat 3 for SA a couple of times, but never as opener. Opening is specialised, the batsman needs to have the technique to handle the new ball. Against a top attack on a pace-friendly track, its a tall order. I'm not sure Prince has the technique or the reflexes. I wish him luck, because Aus has a good pace attack. Johnson is a star in the making, while Siddle is a very good journeyman.
paul3/11/2009 1:08 AM
hand grenade from coach Mickey Mouse(MA) and the selectors. Best way to remove poor Prince permanently without causing a headache for MA in the future. Setup to fail the opening roll and captaincy as planned by MA and the big four within the team. Why not let Amla open and move Prince to no. 6. I smell third force signals from the selectors. Maybe they work for the Company (aka Prison Break) or the BSB AB can decides to bat where he wants and if he wants to keep wicket or not. Prince as Captain cannot choose? Something is really wrong here.
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